Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[CSF77]

One, I'm pretty sure the AAV for any team acquiring Heyward is only the rest of the deal so that's a little less for them than the Cubs.

Two, the best deal for the Cubs would be one where they help a team out and take a bunch of one year or two year money to save them away from the tax to allow them to spend more money. An interesting deal would be something like Heyward + Montgomery + Maples + Russell for Melancon + Samardijza. SF saves a ton of money, gets a few young prospects, and Heyward would likely help them defensively in RF in that ball park so even though they pay a lot, they get something they drastically need.

Fair enough

 

[beckdawg]

One, I'm pretty sure the AAV for any team acquiring Heyward is only the rest of the deal so that's a little less for them than the Cubs.

Not right unless the cubs are also eating money in the deal afaik. The AAV is unchanged by a trade unless one team eats money

 

[JimJohnson]

They have NOTHING to offer for Noah unless they are starting with Bryant.

lol what a stupid post

 

[chibears55]

We could find out this week about the faith of Addison Russell...

Friday the deadline to tender arb eligible players..

Cubs can tender him and then later trade him, trade him before Friday ,not tender him, or just sign him before having to tender him..

 

[anotheridiot]

we'll learn alot about everyone involved. He would have probably only gotten 2.5 with arbitration, so I wonder what the minimum is they can tender him over his 3.2

 

[CSF77]

we'll learn alot about everyone involved. He would have probably only gotten 2.5 with arbitration, so I wonder what the minimum is they can tender him over his 3.2

He will give 1 amount the team gives a 2nd. Arbitrator decision. Sometimes teams will split. But the team has to offer him it. If not he goes DFA

 

[brett05]

Bryant: 23.1 WAR
Noah: 15.1 WAR.

I think you are backwards here. Both with almost equal time served.

Except no one values the batter like they do the pitcher. Especially an ace like Noah.

 

[CSF77]

Except no one values the batter like they do the pitcher. Especially an ace like Noah.

Not in this case. Bryant’s market will be crazy like Harpers

If you were saying DeGromm then no one argues

 

[anotheridiot]

He will give 1 amount the team gives a 2nd. Arbitrator decision. Sometimes teams will split. But the team has to offer him it. If not he goes DFA

My point was he signed without going to the arbitrator last year. I question if they can start anywhere they want or is 3.2 the minimum since that was what he made last year.

 

[brett05]

Not in this case. Bryant’s market will be crazy like Harpers

If you were saying DeGromm then no one argues

DeGroom had one year. I think Noah still brings in more.

 

[CSF77]

DeGroom had one year. I think Noah still brings in more.

DeGromm is a great pitcher.

Thor throws hard.

When Thor becomes a great pitcher that throws hard then we can talk.

Right now he is 7 WAR short on Bryant. The imaginary value doesn’t buy that

 

[brett05]

DeGromm is a great pitcher.

Thor throws hard.

When Thor becomes a great pitcher that throws hard then we can talk.

Right now he is 7 WAR short on Bryant. The imaginary value doesn’t buy that

Noah is a great pitcher, sub 3 era, nearly 5:1 k to BB ratio.
That said, taking a second look at DeGrom, I would agree he is the better pitcher. Both would cost more than Bryant IMO.

 

[CSF77]

Noah is a great pitcher, sub 3 era, nearly 5:1 k to BB ratio.
That said, taking a second look at DeGrom, I would agree he is the better pitcher. Both would cost more than Bryant IMO.

No. Thor would have to have and add if it happened today. If he comes out injury free and posts a 8 WAR season and Bryant sits at a 5 WAR then that over rides history.

As is Thor struggles to post a 5 and Bryant has to be injured to post a 5 or less.

Bryant is the better talent. Thor throws hard but has been injured regularly

 

[brett05]

No. Thor would have to have and add if it happened today. If he comes out injury free and posts a 8 WAR season and Bryant sits at a 5 WAR then that over rides history.

As is Thor struggles to post a 5 and Bryant has to be injured to post a 5 or less.

Bryant is the better talent. Thor throws hard but has been injured regularly

Injured once, spent last year recovering. Bryant however is showing he might need to move quickly off of 3b.

 

[CSF77]

Injured once, spent last year recovering. Bryant however is showing he might need to move quickly off of 3b.

Fake news

 

[CSF77]

This could be a interesting Heyward trade

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018...binson-cano-yankees-jacoby-ellsbury-mets.html

 

[JimJohnson]

This could be a interesting Heyward trade

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018...binson-cano-yankees-jacoby-ellsbury-mets.html

36 years old and still owed $120 million though. He hit well last year but he's going to peter out sooner rather than later. What's the end game with trading JHey? Going after Harper?

 

[zack54attack]

Donaldson to Braves

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1067139745078231041

 

[anotheridiot]

36 years old and still owed $120 million though. He hit well last year but he's going to peter out sooner rather than later. What's the end game with trading JHey? Going after Harper?

All I see is if Seattle could move Cano, at 36 owed 120 til his 40th birthday, there has to be some market to get Heyward for 5 "prime" years at 115.

The way things are going, they will have to move Heyward just to be able to afford to keep Bryant, unless the luxury tax rules change dramatically.

 

[CSF77]

36 years old and still owed $120 million though. He hit well last year but he's going to peter out sooner rather than later. What's the end game with trading JHey? Going after Harper?

No. More so to move a younger bat that has underperformed his contract for a elder hitter that has performed up to his contract.

Seattle is looking to get younger right now and it is a good deal for them.

Cubs are in a winning window and that could end up a 5 WAR increase. At the end of the deal is another story. At this rate I’m concidering a wash on what they got anyways by then.

As far as RF. Not sure but Zobrist and Happ can man it until it shakes out.