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Xavier Cedeño: as Jennings. Don't dislike it. SO/9 are decent. Kinda doable.
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I agree that either Harper or Machado is a pipe dream. I just don't think money or the CBT should be the reason. The downside of being over the CBT is only there if the team doesn't win.
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$224,957,143 est right now. I would expect 6M cush for the dead line. So 15M is what they can spend as is. So that is why Harper/Machado is a pipe dream.
15M Billy Hamilton was est 6M and Andrew Miller was est 3/27M so that is exactly 15M so ya know.
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But why? Tell me the team can't financially afford it and I can accept it. Tell me the team doesn't want to pay the penalty and be hurt in the draft and I'm less accepting. The Cubs could make the payroll in jersey sales.
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Seeing this tweet from Maddon son tells me Maddon not getting an extension and there more going on behind the scenes then we know..
Maddon's son can go screw himself honestly
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A club exceeding the Competitive Balance Tax threshold for the first time must pay a 20 percent tax on all overages. A club exceeding the threshold for a second consecutive season will see that figure rise to 30 percent, and three or more straight seasons of exceeding the threshold comes with a 50 percent luxury tax. If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.
Clubs that exceed the threshold by $20 million to $40 million are also subject to a 12 percent surtax. Meanwhile, those who exceed it by more than $40 million are taxed at a 42.5 percent rate the first time and a 45 percent rate if they exceed it by more than $40 million again the following year(s).
Beginning in 2018, clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.
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Say they sign Harper and don't reduce. It goes up to 255M. So 49M is overage. Then tack on 20.825M to penalties that go to the bottom feeders. So payroll then becomes in essence 275.8M
They are never going there. Ever.
They are never going there. Ever.
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I understand all of that. What I don't understand is why you wouldn't if you're winning. I know it's not my money, but I could care less if I'm paying other teams to suck if my team is winning. That's money that's easily made up in other places. If you're telling me the drafting 10 slots makes that big a difference then you need new scouts and better developers when any team get roughly 20 or more players in each draft.
It demands your team wins, but that's supposed to be the goal anyway.
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10 spots matters when you fall from 25+ to into the competitive draft picks or worse. Not to mention you are flipping the bill for those teams.
But more so dumping 20M into other teams pockets and getting no talent in return is just bad baseball. That is like paying Chatwood 13M per to sit in Iowa. Which might very well happen.
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10 spots matter? Really? If it really matters the team isn't doing its job at finding and developing players. How many players currently in MLB are 1st round picks?
You are getting talent in return. You are signing one of the best players in baseballs instead of having to watch someone else sign them just to avoid paying a fee. It's like having the other teams trade the player to you for cash considerations.
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Signing Harper you lost a pick and drop 10 spots. That means you lose in the draft pool on both which hampers your ability to negotiate with them.
I don’t have issue with Harper. But they would have to shed 15-20M first.
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Easiest way to move the cash is trading Zobrist. Idealy they would want Heyward out.
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Heyward has a NTC, doesn't he?
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He can block trades to 12 teams this year and next. His full NTC ran out after this season.
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I’ve been saying it but here it is again.
They have a 2 year window to move him before his 10/5 kicks in.
He is coming off a 2 WAR season. So they would have to eat too much.
But if he goes back to a 4-5 WAR player and the season tanks then he is primed for a deal.
Best situation is he puts up 4-5 WAR and his trade value goes plus again. His contract is equal to 3 WAR per right now. That point a team would be taking on a 4 year good quality contract of a 30 YO RF.
So I really don’t see the Cubs moving him. Sense Zo is in his final year he would be a easier move as his WAR sits around 3 which is 10 Mil more value than what he is paid for. But you lose value to add. But you get younger
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Some Cubs stuff in Passan's latest about Harper:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-la...s-officials-court-bryce-harper-050324678.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-la...s-officials-court-bryce-harper-050324678.html
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The first round pick is lost in the next draft. The 10 slots would happen until the draft after that because it would be known until the season was done how much the threshold was broken.
I'd love it if the Cubs could find a spot for Heyward and clear about half his contract. I wouldn't think a team would take him any other way. I'm not even advocating doing any of this to get Harper. All I'm saying is that the penalties as they are now wouldn't slow me down in the slightest. The only thing that would stop me from pursuing it is if after doing all my analysis, I felt the team couldn't recoup the cost and wouldn't have the best chance at winning a title.
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If Zo get traded for prospects then I’ll think Harper is pending
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I think it is 30% resign.
30% Philly
20% Sox because they pay 400M and no one else comes close.
Every other team fits 0-10%
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Corbin to the nats 6/$140 mil.... would seem they are likely out on Harper then...
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