Okay. So we Rebuild. So what is your Plan?

[The Hawk]

I'll start it off so you can have a feast picking it apart:

1. The key to rebuilding is to get rid of Rose. Find a team in salary cap hell and dump his salary while getting a good draft pick.

2. Trade Gasol for an expiring contract and a draft pick (a number one)

3. Trade Gibson and move Portis to PF while gaining a young point guard or SF.\

4. Keep Noah for one season since he is the team leader and heart of the team.

5. Hope like hell that the Kings pick is theirs next season

6. Keel haul, Hinrich, Dunleavy, Snell, and throw them off of the deck.

So basically, you are going to start off with a team of:

Point Guard: Draft pick.. either theirs or the Kings pick

Shooting guard: Trade for Gibson

Small Forward: Butler

Center: Noah

Power Forward: Portis

Bench: Pf Mirotic

SF McDermott

Draft and trade guys:

PG trade for Gasol

C draft pick from Sacramento or their own

SG Free agent addition

SF Free agent addition.

PG veteran free agent


So, have at it. If it is going to be a rebuild which I think it must, then what is the first step to doing it other than firing Gar/Pax?

 

[RunRunRunPunt]

My scenario is to bring a new GM ,possibly a new coach and keep Butler,McDermot,Moore,Portis and Hinrich.

What should happen then is to start trading, though this team is about to go down in flames and perhaps we need to hit the lottery.

Will Philadelphia trade its 2016 or 2017 first round pick for Derrick Rose?Probably not.

Send Noah to Oklahoma City or Boston

Send Gasol to the Clippers if he wants to come off the bench , or to someother team thats willing to give a future pick

Heck I'd look if Mirotic can fetch something good.

The Bulls need to become athletic in order to play defense without overworking themselves.That Portis kid better start playing

C- ????
PF-Portis
SF-???
SG-Butler
PG-???

6th man McDermott
bench guys Moore,Hinrich(to lead the rookie guards)

What will happen

Season turmoil,team might trade Noah,Gasol ala Deng for future picks or let them expire.Paxson made one right move in 2003 when the players tuned out Cartwright after a 4-12 start and traded Rose,Marshall and brought in Skiles.

I really cannot see GarPax with playoff money on the line to blow this thing up even though it's inevitable.

 

[Axl Rose]

get rid of everybody but Butler and the young players (Niko, Portis, McDermott)

we wont find a taker for Rose but if we want to get rid of him we could use the stretch provision which opens up another 14m in cap space in the offseason...i'd highly consider that at this point

guys i'd look at in FA: KD, Conley, Whiteside

 

[Naptastic]

What sucks is they are still a high talent team, so I keep wondering if they are just sandbagging until later this year a la Lakers style. I hate it. They have 100% regressed from last year, no discipline, lazy passes, poor shot selection...

 

[clonetrooper264]

Trade everyone. Sixers style rebuild!

But actually though, the quickest way to try to be relevant again would be to move everyone possible for as many picks as possible. Try to package all those picks to get the highest picks you can. Tank this season so that our pick is reasonably high. Hope to draft a couple young players to build around. You're gonna end up sucking for a couple more years...couple more high draft picks. With luck you end up like OKC.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Fire all management, coaches, and players barring Butler.

 

[Enasic]

The key here is to realize there's a difference between a plan and what's realistic. It's important to keep that in mind.

It would be great if we could trade Derrick Rose and receive something of value for him. The problem is, unless you're an optimist to an insane degree, that just isn't realistic. We would have to match the contract of roughly 20 million. If by some miracle we found a taker, it would be for a player(s) who have the same number of years on their deal (or more) and that player(s) would be just as bad as Derrick Rose. At best, it would be a lateral move and would provide us no short term or long term gain. Our best bet with Derrick is to either use the stretch provision on him or just wait until his contract expire and reap the benefits of the cap space.

Unfortunately, we don't have any great trade assets right now. Jimmy is our best one, but seeing as how he's our only player worth building around, trading him is not a viable option. Unless you can get Steph Curry. So as you can see, it's not a viable option.

There are guys we could trade like Gasol who is going to be gone next season anyways. I would start there. Find the best offer for Pau, and get it done. I'm not going to speculate what that best offer would be. It won't be great, but I think it could be a more useful piece than losing him for nothing in the off-season.

Next, we have Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah. I think Noah is worth keeping simply for the fact he's one of the few people on this team that still gives a shit. He may be worth keeping around if he would accept a 2 -3 year deal at an extreme discount. That's not a guarantee as players tend to want to get paid as much they can. If the Bulls have an inclination Noah is going to leave this off-season, or if they simply do not want to retain him, then you have to trade him for the best offer you can get. Between the two though, I would trade Taj first and foremost to open up minutes for Portis. Taj won't have much of a market at all, and if we could get a 2nd round pick and a player to match salaries with only a year or two left on their deal, I think it should be considered a success.

Other than that, there doesn't really seem to be a move out there that makes sense. Snell sucks, sure, so you're not going to get anything for him and he's not making much money. If anything, you hope this team sucks its way into the lottery which would honestly be the best thing for the franchise long term. I don't see us getting there, although, you never know.

Assuming the Bulls don't land themselves in the lottery, the best they can do is when Rose's contract expires and they finally have enough money under the cap to do something significant. Now, that doesn't mean we'll land the star free agent we need. I'm sure the guys who will be a FA at that time, already have an inkling on where they want to go. Does Chicago stand out with one building block in Butler? Probably not.

The reality is, the future looks extremely bleak for this franchise unless we get extremely lucky along the way. Luck is a big factor in sports and often this is a fact that gets overlooked. If we get extremely lucky, we end up with the Kings pick this season. If that were the case, it would probably be the 11th or 12th pick in the draft. I would look to package that with our own 1st round pick (probably around 20 or so), Nikola Mirotic, and possibly a future 1st round pick to move up to around the 5th pick of the draft. That's assuming of course, that there's a guy you think that could be a franchise player. All easier said than done.

Other than that, Bulls fans should not expect much from this team for a while and be thankful the Bears are trending.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Enasic, I'll go through your post in depth a little later, but for now I swear I just read something about a deal involving Rose going to the Sixers. Which makes no sense, considering there is no way they are trading Okafor.

 

[Sunbiz1]

"The reality is, the future looks extremely bleak for this franchise unless we get extremely lucky along the way."

Little wonder why Reinsdorf only has 1 title to show for 2 teams in almost 2 decades.

What a shit owner.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

"The reality is, the future looks extremely bleak for this franchise unless we get extremely lucky along the way."

Little wonder why Reinsdorf only has 1 title to show for 2 teams in almost 2 decades.

What a shit owner.

4 titles.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The reality is, the future looks extremely bleak for this franchise unless we get extremely lucky along the way.

Yeah for us and probably 28 other teams. That's sports for you. I guess we can always hope to luck our way into the best player of the next generation.

 

[Enasic]

Enasic, I'll go through your post in depth a little later, but for now I swear I just read something about a deal involving Rose going to the Sixers. Which makes no sense, considering there is no way they are trading Okafor.

Lol....I made no mention of Rose being traded to the 6ers in my post. In fact, I said for all intents and purposes, he's untradeable.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Lol....I made no mention of Rose being traded to the 6ers in my post. In fact, I said for all intents and purposes, he's untradeable.

That was a separate point.

 

[Sunbiz1]

4 titles.

1 title since 1998 is almost 2 decades.

Multiply this by 2 teams over 18 years=1 title in 36 years.

 

[Enasic]

That was a separate point.

?

Still not understanding.

I believe it was runrunrunpunt who made mention of a trade with the 76ers.

 

[Alpha Male]

hoiberg is our coach for the next 3 years at least. Reinsdorf isnt going to pay 3 coaches. Garpax need to go. The only thing i hate about rebuilds is you don't know if there are any guarantees in the draft. I don't see a KD, lebron, or Anthony davis.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

1 title since 1998 is almost 2 decades.

Multiply this by 2 teams over 18 years=1 title in 36 years.

Except 1995 is actually 2 decades ago, and he won 3 NBA titles and 1 MLB title. So, 4 titles.

 

[Axl Rose]

hoiberg is our coach for the next 3 years at least. Reinsdorf isnt going to pay 3 coaches. Garpax need to go. The only thing i hate about rebuilds is you don't know if there are any guarantees in the draft. I don't see a KD, lebron, or Anthony davis.

theres no reason to fire Hoiberg anyway

we aren't even running his system so its hard to judge how good or bad he is. but based on the glimpses of his offense ive seen i think hes what he was hyped to be but its a very small sample

they should have never stop trying to run it. far as im concerned if you can't grasp it then you should be on the next flight out of Chicago because you're holding us back and forcing us to run prehistoric offense

 

[Enasic]

hoiberg is our coach for the next 3 years at least. Reinsdorf isnt going to pay 3 coaches. Garpax need to go. The only thing i hate about rebuilds is you don't know if there are any guarantees in the draft. I don't see a KD, lebron, or Anthony davis.

Here's what I don't understand when fans make it seem like our problems will be solved by firing Garpax. Who does the GM answer to...?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who hires the GM?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who do most fans complain about even more so than Garpax?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who cannot be fired?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Getting rid of Garpax, who in reality, have done a really good job given the fact that they answer to JR, and who have shown an elite ability to find talent in the draft, will solve nothing. They've assembled teams that have come close to advancing only to be knocked out by the best player we've seen since Michael Jordan.

I keep hearing from a lot of fans that players don't want to come here because of Jerry Reinsdorf and the stigma left behind with Jordan and the breakup of potentially one last championship run. Ok...fair enough. Maybe there's a ring of truth to that. So I ask you...what good will it do by firing Garpax? Jerry will still be here and he'll still be running the show.

Fans tend to forget that assembling a championship team is remarkably difficult. It takes a bit of luck first and foremost. Then it takes a quality front office. If Rose never got hurt, this team may have already won a championship. I'm convinced they would have at least made it to the finals. Look at Portland, they had guys like Oden and Roy...both disappeared and the Trailblazers are riding the wave of mediocrity. When you're lucky and fortunate enough to acquire franchise players, and they go down with injuries, it just doesn't end up well.

Everyone wants a quick and simple fix without taking into account that because of the lottery system being severely flawed, and because of the CBA set up the way it is with max contracts and a salary cap, it's extremely difficult to assemble a championship team.

Firing Garpax won't solve anything. It will be the same show. Probably worse. Potentially better, sure. But only because a change always brings the potential of better. That's why people still vote despite the results being another puppet leading the same old results.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The team with the best odds to win the lottery rarely ever actually wins it I think. If we can tank our way down into the bottom 6 or so...