Okay. So we Rebuild. So what is your Plan?

[Sunbiz1]

Except 1995 is actually 2 decades ago, and he won 3 NBA titles and 1 MLB title. So, 4 titles.

Have a cookie, 1 title this century...2 teams.

He sucks.

 

[Enasic]

The team with the best odds to win the lottery rarely ever actually wins it I think. If we can tank our way down into the bottom 6 or so...

Herein lies the problem. The NBA needs to look at the NFL for a model. The worst team should get the 1st pick. No questions about it. Draft picks should depend on record. The lottery should go extinct.

They also need to do away with max contracts. It's a ridiculous concept. Let a team pay a player whatever they want while still having a salary cap. If a team wants to pay a player 70% of their salary cap, so be it.

 

[Raskolnikov]

We need to be patient. A lot is going on with this team. First and foremost we need to get into the playoffs and be competitive and see if we can't surprise someone, win a series or two and who knows. If you are in the tourney anything is always possible.

Secondly, we can't get value for Rose, and there are two things. He needs to get back his vision, and figure out he is a role player now and how to facilitate that role. He wanted to play with talent, now there are two players better than him and 3 or 4 deep shooters he shouldn't steal shots from on the perimeter. It's clear to me we have an asylum style team, and the correct coach would have been Mark Jackson to mentor Rose in some of the ways he should get more credit for mentoring Curry. but we can't judge the soft approach of Hoiberg yet, he has a team with emotional problems, unset roles, a superstar dumpster fire, passing of the torch, players aging, dunleavy hurt, young players shot jacking. It's a mess, and Rose needs all the time he has, Hoiberg needs all the time he has.

I and we have lost sight of what we planned to do, which is be patient even beyond the trade deadline. Let's watch this 5 game homestand. Let's watch how things go after Christmas. And let Garpax and Hoiberg make there adjustments. Rose needs time and let's watch carefully what he decides to look like on Christmas Day. He may decide to use jet engines that day if indeed he is holding back to grind the season. Yes. He makes stupid and selfish hero decisions and fails in fourth quarters right now. He sucks, he also may not be seeing straight.

Relax. It hurts but we gotta wait this out. Sure you could trade Gasol to get a return. But I don't think we do that. We gotta trade Noah, and that might be out only move, I don't expect much. I'm not one that thinks we need a point guard that bad, Brooks and Hinrich offer a lot of options behind Rose.

The focus is to come together as a team, learn offense together, and get Rose right. Boring, yes. But I do think come playoff time we won't go out that easy to anyone. I'm not throwing the towel on the future, we need a couple tweaks and our current championship hopes for two years are all in with Rose. He gets better or he doesn't. He gets it, or he doesn't. And then Jimmy who is a popular guy will have two max contract slots in two years to sell the idea of to his friends from the all star game.

 

[clonetrooper264]

NO PATIENCE! RESULTS NAO OR GTFO!

 

[Axl Rose]

double talking jive, get the money muthafucka, cause i got no more patience

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

Here's what I'd do right now:

–Trade Mirotic, Gibson, Gasol, and Noah for draft picks or young players to clear cap space. Now, I don't know whether any of them will have to be packaged, but just get rid of them.

 

[Axl Rose]

Here's what I'd do right now:

–Trade Mirotic, Gibson, Gasol, and Noah for draft picks or young players to clear cap space. Now, I don't know whether any of them will have to be packaged, but just get rid of them.

i love how you only show up when we're talking about making moves

do you have a alert on your phone for the word "rebuild"?

 

[Alpha Male]

The team with the best odds to win the lottery rarely ever actually wins it I think. If we can tank our way down into the bottom 6 or so...

I think that would be ideal. No one wants to do a 6ers style tanking. On the other hand, they nba draft is set up so even having a small chance at a lottery like we had in 08 might get us a pick. The nba can't afford a crappy chicago team.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I think that would be ideal. No one wants to do a 6ers style tanking. On the other hand, they nba draft is set up so even having a small chance at a lottery like we had in 08 might get us a pick. The nba can't afford a crappy chicago team.

Well if we keep playing like we have been the past week, that will happen organically.

 

[Alpha Male]

Well if we keep playing like we have been the past week, that will happen organically.

The bulls are at the 8th seed right now. A few more losses and lottery territory.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

The bulls are at the 8th seed right now. A few more losses and lottery territory.

Good. We need to get a high pick and try to get as many picks as we can from trades.

 

[Naptastic]

theres no reason to fire Hoiberg anyway

we aren't even running his system so its hard to judge how good or bad he is. but based on the glimpses of his offense ive seen i think hes what he was hyped to be but its a very small sample

they should have never stop trying to run it. far as im concerned if you can't grasp it then you should be on the next flight out of Chicago because you're holding us back and forcing us to run prehistoric offense

Whose idea was it to hire a coach and not let him run his own system? It 100% ensures that he has an excuse in case he sucks, and also prevents them from being their best.

 

[The Hawk]

Except 1995 is actually 2 decades ago, and he won 3 NBA titles and 1 MLB title. So, 4 titles.

That is just petty nitpicking. His POINT was right on.

 

[The Hawk]

theres no reason to fire Hoiberg anyway

we aren't even running his system so its hard to judge how good or bad he is. but based on the glimpses of his offense ive seen i think hes what he was hyped to be but its a very small sample

they should have never stop trying to run it. far as im concerned if you can't grasp it then you should be on the next flight out of Chicago because you're holding us back and forcing us to run prehistoric offense

You cannot run an offense without personnel to execute it. They do not have the personnel to do it(whatever that really is). What the hell is their plan? Anyone know? I sure do not

 

[The Hawk]

Here's what I don't understand when fans make it seem like our problems will be solved by firing Garpax. Who does the GM answer to...?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who hires the GM?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who do most fans complain about even more so than Garpax?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Who cannot be fired?

Jerry Reinsdorf.

Getting rid of Garpax, who in reality, have done a really good job given the fact that they answer to JR, and who have shown an elite ability to find talent in the draft, will solve nothing. They've assembled teams that have come close to advancing only to be knocked out by the best player we've seen since Michael Jordan.

I keep hearing from a lot of fans that players don't want to come here because of Jerry Reinsdorf and the stigma left behind with Jordan and the breakup of potentially one last championship run. Ok...fair enough. Maybe there's a ring of truth to that. So I ask you...what good will it do by firing Garpax? Jerry will still be here and he'll still be running the show.

Fans tend to forget that assembling a championship team is remarkably difficult. It takes a bit of luck first and foremost. Then it takes a quality front office. If Rose never got hurt, this team may have already won a championship. I'm convinced they would have at least made it to the finals. Look at Portland, they had guys like Oden and Roy...both disappeared and the Trailblazers are riding the wave of mediocrity. When you're lucky and fortunate enough to acquire franchise players, and they go down with injuries, it just doesn't end up well.

Everyone wants a quick and simple fix without taking into account that because of the lottery system being severely flawed, and because of the CBA set up the way it is with max contracts and a salary cap, it's extremely difficult to assemble a championship team.

Firing Garpax won't solve anything. It will be the same show. Probably worse. Potentially better, sure. But only because a change always brings the potential of better. That's why people still vote despite the results being another puppet leading the same old results.

I think that ignoring incompetence in the president of your organization and its general manager is pretty stupid. They have had Gar/Pax for plenty of years now. If Reinny doesn't recognize how shitty his flunkies are, then all is lost no matter what happens, But to ignore how shitty they are and justify their existence because of Reinny, then it is just silly.

 

[The Hawk]

The focus is to come together as a team, learn offense together, and get Rose right. Boring, yes. But I do think come playoff time we won't go out that easy to anyone. I'm not throwing the towel on the future, we need a couple tweaks and our current championship hopes for two years are all in with Rose. He gets better or he doesn't. He gets it, or he doesn't. And then Jimmy who is a popular guy will have two max contract slots in two years to sell the idea of to his friends from the all star game.

OMG. Come together as a team? Get Rose right? This team is like a camel which is a horse put together by a committee. A couple of tweaks? Are tweaks suddenly finding a small forward worth a shit? Is a tweak finding at least one quality point guard on the entire roster? Is a tweak having a bench that is worth a shit?

No sir. This team has deteriorated beyond needing a tweak to fix. This team does not have more than five quality NBA players and that doesn't win championships.

 

[Alpha Male]

Let's just throw any hope of getting a BIG FA or blockbuster trade out the window because the bulls historically have not done that. We can build through the draft. The bulls got rose who had a MVP season but now sucks because of injuries. The draft is the best route to go for the bulls. I just have no hope of them convincing a BIG time FA to come here.

 

[Enasic]

I think that ignoring incompetence in the president of your organization and its general manager is pretty stupid. They have had Gar/Pax for plenty of years now. If Reinny doesn't recognize how shitty his flunkies are, then all is lost no matter what happens, But to ignore how shitty they are and justify their existence because of Reinny, then it is just silly.

You keep saying how incompetent they are. That's just not true. I don't like then personally. They seem like pretentious douche bags...but they're good at their job. Best in the league? No. Better than average? Yes. Incompetent? Not even remotely.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

Let's just throw any hope of getting a BIG FA or blockbuster trade out the window because the bulls historically have not done that. We can build through the draft. The bulls got rose who had a MVP season but now sucks because of injuries. The draft is the best route to go for the bulls. I just have no hope of them convincing a BIG time FA to come here.

Agreed. Build through the draft. That starts with gaining more picks through trades. That'll mean potentially trading guys like Gasol, Gibson, Noah, Mirotic, and Snell whether people like it or not.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

I look at the Nuggets as a good potential trade partner. They currently have a log jam at center with J.J. Hickson, Jusuf Nurkic, Nikola Jokic, and Joffery Lauvergne. With the potential departure of Gasol at center, that'll leave a spot open behind Noah. Nurkic and Jokic sound untradable, so it looks like Lauvergne could be the odd man out, who is averaging 8.3 PPG and 5.8 RPG.