Orlando in the News Again

[ijustposthere]

I doubt that the movie was on the beach. My wife and I recently went to the Bahamas, and the movie was in a building separate from the beach. This is a simple fact that Disney did not protect people from what was in the water.

Have you read anything about the case at all? You keep doubting things that have actually been reported.

 

[winos5]

Same here... The more I read the more my opinion changes.
Employees said they warned the hotel 14 months ago people are feeding them and they are associating people with food.
Don't bother or scare people dropping 2K a night I guess.
So they build a beach with lounge chairs and umbrellas, have a movie night and invite guests.
I looked over their site... Hell they rent kayaks there... No mention of Gators on the site.
Witnesses said the parents were playing with the toddler at the waters edge.
I can see a false sense of security...
Disney knew the danger, yet no signs, no fence to seperate beach from water... (they're building them now).
The lawyer is gonna say build a beach, feed the crocks, no signs, no fence, have night events for kids....
Might as well ring the dinner bell.

Disney is notorious for fighting suits... If they think they can win.
I imagine there are cameras on the beach... everywhere at Disney... but I doubt we ever see that (depending on what they show).
If they settle you will know their own lawyers told them they are fucked.

Just my opinion... which has changed I agree...
The parents fucked up... but there are some serious issues with Disney here.

^^^ This 100% agree

 

[remydat]

First of all, that is a big fucking IF and I have to really doubt that any parent not on acid or such would leave a two year old in the water while they watch a damn movie. The burden of proof,though, will be on the resort to prove that they were not liable. Also, I wouldn't doubt that the state would sue Disney in a criminal case. It was pretty blatent.

Hawk, you keep avoiding the question. If the parents were right with their kid in the water, how did the kid get fucking snatched?

It's no different when a parent on a busy sidewalk and sometimes you see an idiot parent who has the kid walking on the edge of the sidewalk so if the kid runs off or if a car were to veer on to the sidewalk, the kid is the one that gets hit first. It's fucking stupid. You walk on a sidewalk with the parent on the side of incoming traffic.

When you are on the water, you ensure you are on the side of the deep water. Clearly this couldn't be the case because then the alligator wouldn't have been able to bypass the adult and snatch the kid.

Give it up. Don't be silly. Leave that to Ares. There is no "evidence" that the parents were watching a movie when that animal grabbed the kid. Don't make shit up to suit your opinion.

There is no conclusive evidence they were watching a movie but there is evidence. The evidence being their kid got snatched while it has been reported that the family was enjoying movie night.

 

[remydat]

Same here... The more I read the more my opinion changes.
Employees said they warned the hotel 14 months ago people are feeding them and they are associating people with food.
Don't bother or scare people dropping 2K a night I guess.
So they build a beach with lounge chairs and umbrellas, have a movie night and invite guests.
I looked over their site... Hell they rent kayaks there... No mention of Gators on the site.
Witnesses said the parents were playing with the toddler at the waters edge.
I can see a false sense of security...
Disney knew the danger, yet no signs, no fence to seperate beach from water... (they're building them now).
The lawyer is gonna say build a beach, feed the crocks, no signs, no fence, have night events for kids....
Might as well ring the dinner bell.

Disney is notorious for fighting suits... If they think they can win.
I imagine there are cameras on the beach... everywhere at Disney... but I doubt we ever see that (depending on what they show).
If they settle you will know their own lawyers told them they are fucked.

Just my opinion... which has changed I agree...
The parents fucked up... but there are some serious issues with Disney here.

That's a logical position to take hence why I think both sides have an incentive to settle.

 

[ijustposthere]

Same here... The more I read the more my opinion changes.
Employees said they warned the hotel 14 months ago people are feeding them and they are associating people with food.
Don't bother or scare people dropping 2K a night I guess.
So they build a beach with lounge chairs and umbrellas, have a movie night and invite guests.
I looked over their site... Hell they rent kayaks there... No mention of Gators on the site.
Witnesses said the parents were playing with the toddler at the waters edge.
I can see a false sense of security...
Disney knew the danger, yet no signs, no fence to seperate beach from water... (they're building them now).
The lawyer is gonna say build a beach, feed the crocks, no signs, no fence, have night events for kids....
Might as well ring the dinner bell.

Disney is notorious for fighting suits... If they think they can win.
I imagine there are cameras on the beach... everywhere at Disney... but I doubt we ever see that (depending on what they show).
If they settle you will know their own lawyers told them they are fucked.

Just my opinion... which has changed I agree...
The parents fucked up... but there are some serious issues with Disney here.

From a business sense, it would be insanely dumb to mention gators in any advertisement. Also, it's been told that they do warn people about the gators when they check in. If that is the case, then they weren't hiding anything. Also, it's in Florida. I really can't emphasize that enough. While Disney isn't off the hook because they are certainly liable to keep guests safe at their resort, anyone saying more signs or whatever else they wanted Disney to do is just relieving the parents of personal responsibility. You can't claim ignorance on shit like that. It's like going to the Middle East and being surprised it's a war zone.

 

[Ares]

From a business sense, it would be insanely dumb to mention gators in any advertisement. Also, it's been told that they do warn people about the gators when they check in. If that is the case, then they weren't hiding anything. Also, it's in Florida. I really can't emphasize that enough. While Disney isn't off the hook because they are certainly liable to keep guests safe at their resort, anyone saying more signs or whatever else they wanted Disney to do is just relieving the parents of personal responsibility. You can't claim ignorance on shit like that. It's like going to the Middle East and being surprised it's a war zone.

How would you know the Middle East is a war zone, if you are from Nebraska?

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

From a business sense, it would be insanely dumb to mention gators in any advertisement. Also, it's been told that they do warn people about the gators when they check in. If that is the case, then they weren't hiding anything. Also, it's in Florida. I really can't emphasize that enough. While Disney isn't off the hook because they are certainly liable to keep guests safe at their resort, anyone saying more signs or whatever else they wanted Disney to do is just relieving the parents of personal responsibility. You can't claim ignorance on shit like that. It's like going to the Middle East and being surprised it's a war zone.

I don't really disagree with much in this, but inviting guests down to the beach at night right by the lagoon, to watch movies was maybe not very well thought out. And the Hyatt up the road has very clear signage all over regrading the risk of alligators. I get the personal responsibility here. Neither party is free of culpability. Seems like it was the perfect storm, that resulted in tragedy.

 

[Urblock]

How would you know the Middle East is a war zone, if you are from Nebraska?

They have signs.

 

[ijustposthere]

I don't really disagree with much in this, but inviting guests down to the beach at night right by the lagoon, to watch movies was maybe not very well thought out. And the Hyatt up the road has very clear signage all over regrading the risk of alligators. I get the personal responsibility here. Neither party is free of culpability. Seems like it was the perfect storm, that resulted in tragedy.

Personally, I don't think any other signage would've helped. Idiots are going to be idiots. People need to watch more documentaries or some shit, just to get a sense of how dangerous wild animals actually are.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

From a business sense, it would be insanely dumb to mention gators in any advertisement. Also, it's been told that they do warn people about the gators when they check in. If that is the case, then they weren't hiding anything. Also, it's in Florida. I really can't emphasize that enough. While Disney isn't off the hook because they are certainly liable to keep guests safe at their resort, anyone saying more signs or whatever else they wanted Disney to do is just relieving the parents of personal responsibility. You can't claim ignorance on shit like that. It's like going to the Middle East and being surprised it's a war zone.

Yes you can.... and there are lawyers by the dozens making millions because you can.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

How would you know the Middle East is a war zone, if you are from Nebraska?

Rush Limbaugh.

 

[ijustposthere]

Yes you can.... and there are lawyers by the dozens making millions because you can.

Ha, tis true. That said, consequences are usually suffered. In this specific case, I'm sure those parents would give up whatever they receive to have their child back. I know no amount of money would pay for my niece's life.

 

[ijustposthere]

Rush Limbaugh.

What if you are a liberal from Nebraska?

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Personally, I don't think any other signage would've helped. Idiots are going to be idiots. People need to watch more documentaries or some shit, just to get a sense of how dangerous wild animals actually are.

I research a lot about any place I travel to. I would hope most do the same. I agree, people need to educate themselves more. I think a sign like the one I post below (which is the Hyatt signs up the road) could have made a difference. Could have. Neither of us really knows. I guarantee there will be different signs there in the future though.

This was a freak tragedy. A perfect storm as I said. A 2 year old is dead. The parents will suffer more than we can imagine, and will pay for this for the rest of their lives. Disney will make changes.

I feel for these people. I hate playing the blame game in these situations, but there is much that can be learned from a tragedy like this.

 

[Urblock]

What if you are a liberal from Nebraska?

Nebraska doesn't have liberals or gators.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

What if you are a liberal from Nebraska?

Trick question... we all know there are no libruhls in Nebraska.

 

[ijustposthere]

I research a lot about any place I travel to. I would hope most do the same. I agree, people need to educate themselves more. I think a sign like the one I post below (which is the Hyatt signs up the road) could have made a difference. Could have. Neither of us really knows. I guarantee there will be different signs there in the future though.

This was a freak tragedy. A perfect storm as I said. A 2 year old is dead. The parents will suffer more than we can imagine, and will pay for this for the rest of their lives. Disney will make changes.

I feel for these people. I hate playing the blame game in these situations, but there is much that can be learned from a tragedy like this.

Maybe, but there are a lot of people that don't even notice the signs. That's why it's my opinion that extra signage probably won't change much. Disney did their best to keep gators out/remove them quickly, but there's only so much that could be done in that sense. They also (supposedly) warned guests, so they weren't trying to keep the fact that gators could be present. Otherwise, I would 100% agree. Also, there must be a "do not molest the gators" sign. Those are funny.

 

[Urblock]

I research a lot about any place I travel to. I would hope most do the same. I agree, people need to educate themselves more. I think a sign like the one I post below (which is the Hyatt signs up the road) could have made a difference. Could have. Neither of us really knows. I guarantee there will be different signs there in the future though.

This was a freak tragedy. A perfect storm as I said. A 2 year old is dead. The parents will suffer more than we can imagine, and will pay for this for the rest of their lives. Disney will make changes.

I feel for these people. I hate playing the blame game in these situations, but there is much that can be learned from a tragedy like this.

Don't swim here but you can rent a canoe that is easy to tip over. **** Florida.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Maybe, but there are a lot of people that don't even notice the signs. That's why it's my opinion that extra signage probably won't change much. Disney did their best to keep gators out/remove them quickly, but there's only so much that could be done in that sense. They also (supposedly) warned guests, so they weren't trying to keep the fact that gators could be present. Otherwise, I would 100% agree. Also, there must be a "do not molest the gators" sign. Those are funny.

Considering gators are most active from dusk to dawn, do you not think this movie on the beach set up was kind of a bad idea, and perhaps gave visitors a false sense of security, contributing to the perfect storm?

The sign debate is moot. Neither can provide evidence either way. I do bet the signs will be changed though.

I am not a litigation fan, nor am I a fan of shifting responsibility. I don't care if this goes to court, or a settlement is reached. It's not important to me in the least. I am also not a fan of crucifying these parents. Learn from their mistake, but why rake them over the coals.

I look at it as a tragedy. If Disney changes nothing, it likely will be another 50 years or more before something like this happens again. Signs may not make a difference at all. But I bet they will be changed, and the movies on the beach will be on a grassy knoll in the future.

 

[Tater]

Considering gators are most active from dusk to dawn, do you not think this movie on the beach set up was kind of a bad idea, and perhaps gave visitors a false sense of security, contributing to the perfect storm?

The sign debate is moot. Neither can provide evidence either way. I do bet the signs will be changed though.

I am not a litigation fan, nor am I a fan of shifting responsibility. I don't care if this goes to court, or a settlement is reached. It's not important to me in the least. I am also not a fan of crucifying these parents. Learn from their mistake, but why rake them over the coals.

I look at it as a tragedy. If Disney changes nothing, it likely will be another 50 years or more before something like this happens again. Signs may not make a difference at all. But I bet they will be changed, and the movies on the beach will be on a grassy knoll in the future.

Will there be a second shooter on the grassy knoll?


j/k Great post, totally agree.