Orlando in the News Again

[Tater]

Hawks have you seen how parents interact in public now, close to 60 - 70 percent of the time there are kids running loose in public without a parent around. Different generation from yours, parents are more worried about a fucking cell phone than their own kids.

Being 49 I'm not in Hawks generation, but I gotta disagree. At 6 or 7 years old (in N.Y. state) we pretty much went anywhere we wanted. We'd play along the Erie Canal and ride around all different neighborhoods on bikes. In L.A. at 8/9, we skateboarded everywhere (miles) and walked miles in the foothills.

P.S. One kid on our block accidentally fell in the canal, couldn't swim and drowned. I still remember the kids name...

 

[The Hawk]

They can still be called to the stand and if they plead the 5th and are not willing to explain what happened that night it would impede their ability to prove their case particularly if Disney can produce witnesses that testify they were in fact watching a movie while their kid was splashing about at the Lagoon.

And if no criminal case is being contemplated then like OJ Simpson they would not be able to plead the 5th in a civil case.

First of all, that is a big fucking IF and I have to really doubt that any parent not on acid or such would leave a two year old in the water while they watch a damn movie. The burden of proof,though, will be on the resort to prove that they were not liable. Also, I wouldn't doubt that the state would sue Disney in a criminal case. It was pretty blatent.

 

[The Hawk]

The evidence that they were actually watching the movie is that their kids was snatched by an alligator.

Again how did the alligator snatch the kid? Magic?

Give it up. Don't be silly. Leave that to Ares. There is no "evidence" that the parents were watching a movie when that animal grabbed the kid. Don't make shit up to suit your opinion.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Can a hawk jump the shark? I swear I just saw that.

 

[The Hawk]

You have to admit, having a movie night on the beach by a lagoon with alligators at night is probably not a great idea. Almost as bad as taking your eyes off a 2 year old near water.

I doubt that the movie was on the beach. My wife and I recently went to the Bahamas, and the movie was in a building separate from the beach. This is a simple fact that Disney did not protect people from what was in the water.

 

[The Hawk]

You have to admit, having a movie night on the beach by a lagoon with alligators at night is probably not a great idea. Almost as bad as taking your eyes off a 2 year old near water.

I doubt that the movie was on the beach. My wife and I recently went to the Bahamas, and the movie was in a building separate from the beach. This is a simple fact that Disney did not protect people from what was in the water. The movie really has nothing to do with protecting people. Let me put it this way. IF the parents of that kid were a distance away and ignored their kid playing in the water, then they were bad parents. I do not think that is anywhere near what happened.

 

[The Hawk]

Disney needs signs at their outdoor movie nights that say "Parents are expected to watch and protect children at all times"

Why don't you stop while you are way behind. Everything that you are saying is becoming more and more stupid.

 

[The Hawk]

Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk View Post


I sure as heck have walked along the beach in ankle deep water out here all of the time with no swimming signs posted. This family was not swimming in the water. Nobody has shown anything of the kind. I just do not see how that resort could not post simple warning signs to protect the tourists is all. I think that probably some penny counter decided to save a few bucks or some exec decided to not SCARE the tourists by the use of proper warning signs never thinking that something like this could ever happen.

You sir are a rebel, a wild man!

Basic common sense logic has served me well over the years. That and not tolerating fools.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

I doubt that the movie was on the beach. My wife and I recently went to the Bahamas, and the movie was in a building separate from the beach. This is a simple fact that Disney did not protect people from what was in the water. The movie really has nothing to do with protecting people. Let me put it this way. IF the parents of that kid were a distance away and ignored their kid playing in the water, then they were bad parents. I do not think that is anywhere near what happened.

Here are a couple of pics of people on their visit to the Grand Floridian. They are big, so I won't embed them. The first one you can see the grass edge of the beach on the left. In the second you can see a blow up movie screen on that grass, close to the lagoon, and facing it, so the audience's backs would be toward to the lagoon.


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Looking away from a 2 year old near water, at night, even for a brief moment, can lead to danger very quickly. I also think these movie night deals in that location were not thought out wisely.


Photos from here: http://www.lushlife.ca/2011/06/campfire-at-the-grand-floridian/

The Grand Floridian has a nightly campfire (usually ~7:30 pm), followed by a movie (usually ~9:00 pm) being shown right on their beach.

 

[The Hawk]

Hawks have you seen how parents interact in public now, close to 60 - 70 percent of the time there are kids running loose in public without a parent around. Different generation from yours, parents are more worried about a fucking cell phone than their own kids.

I do not disagree that a whole lot of parents let their kids run wild and out of control. Pisses me off. I also think that there are too many parents who fell that their kids are an inconvenience. And I hate fucking cell phones and the rudeness of people who ignore people trying to actually talk to them.

All that I am saying, though, is that there still are a lot of people who do cherish and value their families and protect them as good as they can possibly do. And trying to make judgement on parents that you do not know, without any evidence of bad parenting is judgemental and very wrong.

 

[The Hawk]

0 in awareness, maybe a 3 in strength

Don't know what this means.

 

[The Hawk]

Being 49 I'm not in Hawks generation, but I gotta disagree. At 6 or 7 years old (in N.Y. state) we pretty much went anywhere we wanted. We'd play along the Erie Canal and ride around all different neighborhoods on bikes. In L.A. at 8/9, we skateboarded everywhere (miles) and walked miles in the foothills.

P.S. One kid on our block accidentally fell in the canal, couldn't swim and drowned. I still remember the kids name...

Sure. So did my kids, the oldest who is 44. When my kids grew up, they went form SoCal to Arkansas, and back to So Cal. Different scenarios all around and different kinds of dangers. When my oldest son was in Arkansas, he and a couple of his pals caught snapping turtles from ponds, shot water moccasins with pellet guns, went fishing 4 or 5 times a weeks, all without any parent around. What I am saying is that you try and teach your kid how to handle things and let them experience life. I am not talking about 2 year olds by the way. I am talking about 8-10 year olds. It was a way of life down in southern Arkansas not much different, I'd guess to that of Florida except for the gators.

I taught my older son how to fish and fire a pellet gun. I made sure that he was a very good swimmer. I also taught him how to fight(he was a small kid early on like I was). That was how I was raised by my dad and I hope that any grandsons that I have are raised similarly. All of my kids also graduated college, played sports and all have good jobs. I am also very proud of my kids. Yeah, they have made some mistakes but that is typical of almost all kids.

Point is, that there is a balance, I think, of making a kid confident and able to handle most things without parental intervention and throwing him out there to fend for themselves.

 

[Tater]

Here are a couple of pics of people on their visit to the Grand Floridian. They are big, so I won't embed them. The first one you can see the grass edge of the beach on the left. In the second you can see a blow up movie screen on that grass, close to the lagoon, and facing it, so the audience's backs would be toward to the lagoon.

Thanks for the pics. It seems strange that it's a no swimming area, yet it's set up a a beach. I guess I just didn't picture it looking like that there.

 

[The Hawk]

Can a hawk jump the shark? I swear I just saw that.

The Hawk doesn't jump, it does a fly over

 

[SilenceS]

Sure. So did my kids, the oldest who is 44. When my kids grew up, they went form SoCal to Arkansas, and back to So Cal. Different scenarios all around and different kinds of dangers. When my oldest son was in Arkansas, he and a couple of his pals caught snapping turtles from ponds, shot water moccasins with pellet guns, went fishing 4 or 5 times a weeks, all without any parent around. What I am saying is that you try and teach your kid how to handle things and let them experience life. I am not talking about 2 year olds by the way. I am talking about 8-10 year olds. It was a way of life down in southern Arkansas not much different, I'd guess to that of Florida except for the gators.

I taught my older son how to fish and fire a pellet gun. I made sure that he was a very good swimmer. I also taught him how to fight(he was a small kid early on like I was). That was how I was raised by my dad and I hope that any grandsons that I have are raised similarly. All of my kids also graduated college, played sports and all have good jobs. I am also very proud of my kids. Yeah, they have made some mistakes but that is typical of almost all kids.

Point is, that there is a balance, I think, of making a kid confident and able to handle most things without parental intervention and throwing him out there to fend for themselves.

Did he float like a butterfly and sting like a bee?

 

[Ares]

Why don't you stop while you are way behind. Everything that you are saying is becoming more and more stupid.

:hawked:

 

[Monster]

Thanks for the pics. It seems strange that it's a no swimming area, yet it's set up a a beach. I guess I just didn't picture it looking like that there.

Same here... The more I read the more my opinion changes.
Employees said they warned the hotel 14 months ago people are feeding them and they are associating people with food.
Don't bother or scare people dropping 2K a night I guess.
So they build a beach with lounge chairs and umbrellas, have a movie night and invite guests.
I looked over their site... Hell they rent kayaks there... No mention of Gators on the site.
Witnesses said the parents were playing with the toddler at the waters edge.
I can see a false sense of security...
Disney knew the danger, yet no signs, no fence to seperate beach from water... (they're building them now).
The lawyer is gonna say build a beach, feed the crocks, no signs, no fence, have night events for kids....
Might as well ring the dinner bell.

Disney is notorious for fighting suits... If they think they can win.
I imagine there are cameras on the beach... everywhere at Disney... but I doubt we ever see that (depending on what they show).
If they settle you will know their own lawyers told them they are fucked.

Just my opinion... which has changed I agree...
The parents fucked up... but there are some serious issues with Disney here.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

 

[ijustposthere]

Still. Disney is liable because of their FAILURE to adequately protect its visitors. All they really needed to do was adequately post warning signs and I think even make that lagoon inaccessible to tourists because after all, it is just good business and if tourists are going to see little kids killed at that resort, who would go there when there are so many more better safer places to go with their family.

I can just see the conversation in the kitchen now........Hey hon, why don't we got to Disney World this summer? We can go try and wrestle gators? MAybe the DUck Dynasty guys will put on a show for us of their collection of water moccasins, killer turtles, etc. Forget little Beckie wanting to see Minnie Mouse and Daisy Duck.....I want to see some blood in the water.

Humor aside. DIsney is going to suffer because of this, reputation wise and of course, money wise. And it is all because their management was stupid. A smart company takes precautions for shit like this.

LOL, it wasn't at Disney World.

 

[ijustposthere]

Enjoying a Movie Night means that the parents were watching a movie some distance from their kid? Do you know how stupid that statement is? Want to think about that for awhile and say something different? I can also see this conversation. Back in Nebraska, two parents are talking and one turns to the other and says....."Hey hon, lets go to a movie tonight and leave the kid in the parking lot to fend for himself"? I will bet a lot of money that those parents were not watching some movie and leaving a two year old kid like that. No one would do that!

Wha? They were far enough away for their kid to get snatched by an alligator.