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To the OP, no but he will probably get in due to the rings and the name.
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Justin Tuck should have won the 2007 SB MVP. He destroyed that offensive line when they moved him inside.
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What about Jamarcus Webb? Dude absolutely destroyed Taco Bell where ever he played.
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There aren't many QBs with 2 SB wins, but Jim Plunkett is a QB with 2 wins and not in the HOF. So there is precedent.
But he is 8th in the league in total passing yards. That I would not have guessed.
He was never a first team all pro. Never close to being the best QB in the league, never even a top 5 QB ever in a single season. I don't see how that spells anything but an average to above average QB on a great defense.
But he is 8th in the league in total passing yards. That I would not have guessed.
He was never a first team all pro. Never close to being the best QB in the league, never even a top 5 QB ever in a single season. I don't see how that spells anything but an average to above average QB on a great defense.
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No. Warner was a two time MVP, three super bowl appearances and 1 win.
0 SB appearances, 0 MVP's. At no point in Rivers career was he really a top 5 QB in the league. He had years you could argue he was, but at no time would you have taken Rivers over Brady, Manning, Brees. Rodgers. And later on Cam, Matt Ryan, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson all won MVP's during his career, and I think Big Ben was better than Rivers too for parts of his career.
Rivers was consistently an above average QB and that doesn't belong in the HOF. Eli doesn't either, but 2 rings will do that.
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I never really did see the talent with Eli Manning but if i were to bet on it id say he goes in 1st ballot.
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If Elway can make it, Eli can
Elway had mediocre stats and always has
Elway had mediocre stats and always has
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Elway is a pretty good comparison, since, as you said, was mediocre for most of his career.
The biggest difference is, in Elways last 6 years, he was generally regarded as one of the best QBs in the league, where as Eli maybe had 1 year where people thought he was possibly a top 10 QB.
But yeah, Elway's first 10 years definitely weren't pretty.
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Even his last 6 weren't that impressive
Barely even scratching 250 yards a game and only went above 90 qbr twice in those last 6 seasons
Elway is overrated imo
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You have to consider the times, not just the numbers. A 90 passer rating back then was probably more equivalent to 100 now.
The rules are much different, obviously. And that should be taken into consideration.
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Eh. I sort of agree until you look at QBs like Steve Young in the same era. Still putting up above 100 qbr
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You need to compare him to his peers during that same time. In 93, he was 3rd in the league in Rating, 4th in 94, 4th in 96, 7th in 97, and 5th in 98.
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Actually, I live in NJ. A ways ago I printed out Jay Cutlers and Eli Mannings year by stats without the year and name listed. Put them in front of several Giant/Eli fans and said which one is Eli and no one had an answer except they just said Eli won 2 Super Bowls.
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It would better come off as an obvious joke if Bears fans didn’t spend the past decade dismissing everything he has done but sure.
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Agreed 100%. If they put him in for 2 rings they dismiss what 21 other starters did. The HOF is about your career, not a few playoff runs.
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But it the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stats, and few QB's have ever been able to rise to the occasion to lead a team through the playoffs on multiple occasions (12). Of those, the only one not in the HOF is Plunkett, who spent 11 of his 15 seasons as ranked below average or not ranked at all and only cracked a top 10 passer ranking at 9th just 1 time in 15 seasons.
Top 10 all time in Yards and TD's, 2 SB victories, 2 SB MVP's. Like it or not that is a HOF resume. The last 2 take a borderline case and put him in.
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I think Cutler’s stats might oddly be better than Eli’s
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I feel we can chalk those yards and TDs up to his longevity as a starter imo