OT: FTO: petition in Washington

[remydat]

I’m sure the joke wasn’t lost on you here, right?

No it wasnt. The poster quoted a post of mine that was deleted so I was using it to highlight the deletion of that post because I guess offensive terms against whites is a no no but they are ok when applied to a historically marginalized people.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

No it wasnt. The poster quoted a post of mine that was deleted so I was using it to highlight the deletion of that post because I guess offensive terms against whites is a no no but they are ok when applied to a historically marginalized people.

They also need to get rid of the Vikings and especially that obnoxious horn. It's degrading to straight white Norwegian males.

 

[remydat]

They also need to get rid of the Vikings and especially that obnoxious horn. It's degrading to straight white Norwegian males.

I dont know that the term Viking was considered offensive but no skin off my back. Go for it.

 

[Enasic]

Can it really be that offensive if Native Americans want it changed back?

 

[Ares]

Why do I feel South Park finna do an episode where a team named the Naggers are forced to change and then fight to regain their lost heritage?

 

[Enasic]

Not going to pretend to be an expert on the history of the term - But at the very least, there seems to be some grey area/nuance at the very least. I’ve seen quite a few sources that actually dispute it being offensive at all.

Misconception: Redskins is Racist | NAGA Guardians

90% of Native Americans disagree. Redskins is a Native iconic name and is revered by the vast majority of Native & general public alike. Redskins represents honor, respect & pride for Native American culture. Redskins is a self-identifying term for Natives since 1812. Context & intent matter.

www.nagaeducation.org

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/09/220654611/are-you-ready-for-some-controversy-the-history-of-redskin#:~:text=According%20to%20Smithsonian%20historian%20Ives,John%20Wilkins.

Why Is the Word “Redskin” so Offensive? – Marquette University Law School Faculty Blog

law.marquette.edu

 

[HearshotKDS]

This is bullshit. Nobody wanted to sign my petition to switch it back to Washington Football Team.

Should have just kept the WFT name, it was sarcastically fantastic.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Wish their name could've somehow been WTF on the scoreboard ticker, thought that would've exemplified their org perfectly.

 

[remydat]

Can it really be that offensive if Native Americans want it changed back?

That is a subset not all. Would be like saying the N word isnt offensive because some black people use it.

 

[Enasic]

That is a subset not all. Would be like saying the N word isnt offensive because some black people use it.

I don’t think it’s the same but I’m out of my element with Native American culture and accepted terminology.

 

[remydat]

Not going to pretend to be an expert on the history of the term - But at the very least, there seems to be some grey area/nuance at the very least. I’ve seen quite a few sources that actually dispute it being offensive at all.

Misconception: Redskins is Racist | NAGA Guardians

90% of Native Americans disagree. Redskins is a Native iconic name and is revered by the vast majority of Native & general public alike. Redskins represents honor, respect & pride for Native American culture. Redskins is a self-identifying term for Natives since 1812. Context & intent matter.

www.nagaeducation.org

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/09/220654611/are-you-ready-for-some-controversy-the-history-of-redskin#:~:text=According%20to%20Smithsonian%20historian%20Ives,John%20Wilkins.

Why Is the Word “Redskin” so Offensive? – Marquette University Law School Faculty Blog

law.marquette.edu

"Decades later, the word "redskin" began to take on a negative, increasingly violent connotation. Author L. Frank Baum, best known for his classic The Wizard of Oz, celebrated the death of Sitting Bull and the massacre at Wounded Knee with a pair of editorials calling for the extermination of all remaining Native Americans. In one of the December 1890 pieces, Baum wrote, "With his fall the nobility of the Redskin is extinguished, and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them.""

 

[Bearly]

how about the DC Wafflers?!

DC Greenbacks

DC Comics

 

[remydat]

I don’t think it’s the same but I’m out of my element with Native American culture and accepted terminology.

Obviously the N word is considered far more offensive but the point is that just because some people of a group are ok with doesnt mean they are all.

In a commentary published soon after the 2004 poll, 15 Native American scholars collaborated on a critique that stated that there were so many flaws in the Annenberg study that rather than being a measure of Native American opinion, it was an expression of white privilege and colonialism.[6] A 2019 poll by University of California, Berkeley surveyed 1,021 Native Americans, twice as many as in any previous polls.[162] 38% of self-identified Native Americans said they were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name. But 49% overall said it was offensive, along with 67% of respondents who were heavily engaged in their native or tribal cultures, 60% of young people, and 52% of those with tribal affiliations.

Washington Redskins name controversy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Project MUSE - Indigenous Voice and Vision as Commodity in a Mass-Consumption Society: The Colonial Politics of Public Opinion Polling

muse.jhu.edu

This explains the problems with the 90% poll which is that it did not use probability sampling or ensure equal probability of selection ie it was not a representative sample of all Native American viewpoints and likely included people that werent Native American at all.

This also shows the results of another larger poll that followed the peinciples above and basically the more involved people were with their Native identity the more likely it was that they considered it offensive.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

"Decades later, the word "redskin" began to take on a negative, increasingly violent connotation. Author L. Frank Baum, best known for his classic The Wizard of Oz, celebrated the death of Sitting Bull and the massacre at Wounded Knee with a pair of editorials calling for the extermination of all remaining Native Americans. In one of the December 1890 pieces, Baum wrote, "With his fall the nobility of the Redskin is extinguished, and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them.""

That is exactly right. The actually history of the term is not racist or offensive, or atleast it is not intended to be racist or offensive. However, over the years, the perception became offensive and thus the name change.

It just goes to show that anything can be eventually taken out of context and be considered offensive down the road. A common phrase you use today in the office might get you fired in 20 years. That's just the world we live in. It is what it is.

 

[remydat]

That is exactly right. The actually history of the term is not racist or offensive, or atleast it is not intended to be racist or offensive. However, over the years, the perception became offensive and thus the name change.

It just goes to show that anything can be eventually taken out of context and be considered offensive down the road. A common phrase you use today in the office might get you fired in 20 years. That's just the world we live in. It is what it is.

Well the original historical usage was Native Americans using it to describe themselves which different than an outsider using it to describe them.

 

[sevvy]

They should have been the Hogs. And the Cleveland Indians should have been the Cleveland Spiders.

But I think these organizations get scared and go with the most generic sounding name they can come up with. Commanders and Guardians sound like team names on a Nickelodeon kid's game show, not professional sports teams.

 

[DC]

Stigma for the brands that choose to advertise their business in the stadium name? Perhaps “Northwest Stadium” thinks “Redskins” is a bad look. Follow the $.

 

[HeHateMe]

I loved that name. That’s what they should have kept

But what if someone made 3-5 threads about that name on ccs? Ban them and decide you hate that name?

 

[HeHateMe]

That is exactly right. The actually history of the term is not racist or offensive, or atleast it is not intended to be racist or offensive. However, over the years, the perception became offensive and thus the name change.

It just goes to show that anything can be eventually taken out of context and be considered offensive down the road. A common phrase you use today in the office might get you fired in 20 years. That's just the world we live in. It is what it is.

So people flying confederate flags in northern Michigan are just expressing "southern pride" and being taken out of context ???

 

[remydat]

So people flying confederate flags in northern Michigan are just expressing "southern pride" and being taken out of context ???

Yes Michigan is South of much of Canada.