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yep, he's a huge addition with this defense, 3 point shooting, and his incredible IQ
he made some huge plays for miami in the finals
#finalsmvpbasedgod
yep, he's a huge addition with this defense, 3 point shooting, and his incredible IQ
he made some huge plays for miami in the finals
#finalsmvpbasedgod
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But the 2011 Mavericks are better than the 2012 Thunder. Especially on defense and rebounding (plus an actual fundamentally-sound offense).
They defended LeBron the right way.
LBJ has improved a lot in the post and LBJ is also forcing the issue and not afraid to shoot crunch-time free-throws.
However, the Mavericks zoned up on LBJ and made him think twice before putting the ball on the floor. LBJ chose to defer bit you better believe it would have been a lot harder to score on Dallas than OKC. Dallas was putting up a perimeter curtain on LBJ with Kidd/Marion/Stevenson and had an anchor underneath in the form of Tyson Chandler (who is better than Ibaka... trust me).
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2012 Bulls - 2012 Heat 4-3
should have linked them...
i mean, you could just be completely making it up
the teams are pretty close though
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Nah so many print-screens and I am really bored.
I did it 3 more times.
Bulls - Heat 3-4
Bulls - Heat 1-4
Bulls - Heat 4-2
You can do it as many times as you want. My point is you can't use this to decide which team is better.
I did it 3 more times.
Bulls - Heat 3-4
Bulls - Heat 1-4
Bulls - Heat 4-2
You can do it as many times as you want. My point is you can't use this to decide which team is better.
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why do you always bring up rebounding? OKC was a better rebounding team
they averaged a good 2 rebounds more than dallas did
defense was pretty close...dallas had better defensive efficiency but the thunder were 3rd best in the league in field goal defense
dallas doesn't really have a stopper like thabo nor a shot blocker like ibaka and isn't as athletic on defense
dallas did have chandler though
OKC was clearly better on offense...
correct...they used a bit of zone and wanted him to take shots
part of it was his mental game...i understand what guys like cuban are saying but his argument, as i saw it, was too much on the other side of the spectrum
the idea is, that yes dallas made the right adjustments defensively but the reason lebron didn't post up or drive alot is not totally predicated on dallas' zone(you have to remember even with the zone, there are susceptible spots...especially with a less athletic defense like the mavericks)
it partly had to do with this mentality(omg ESPN cliche)...he was just not looking to drive or post up at all...
well, the whole idea is that last year he didn't use the post, thus, did not exploit a huge matchup problem that lebron can cause when he is in the post
the free throw difference is big too..you can't tell me that's not partly on his improving mentality
lebron posted up more against the thunder than put it on the floor..and he put it on the floor more when he could exploit a matchup or was in transition
in another thread, i have already highlighted some serious match up problems that can occur with lebron in the post, with marion defending(either with zone or man), that might help a little..but lebron is still easily strong than he is and could get marion into foul trouble
i'm not sure how well a zone would do against lebron posting up...from there if the zone put attention on him..he could pass out for a 3..or move the ball with flow to find an open shot or a drive
problem is you have an anchor like chandler, but when you have dirk at the PF that is a liability on defense
with OKC, you're usually running perkins and ibaka, who are both great defenders
ibaka vs. chandler is certainly debatable..ibaka is not as good individually but literally every single player that comes in the post has to respect his ability which alters shots in themselves
plus, you have to assume that dallas won't be running zone every play...they'll run variants and switch back to man on some occasion
dallas is basically 3 point shooters,marion chandler and dirk...
they don't really have a great inside game or a driving game
OKC has drivers and creators like westbrook and harden...and a scorer like durant who i trust more than i do dirk
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you can, should you? not really..i already pointed out it was flawed
did you alternate home and away? that's important
home team gets a little boost while away team gets undercut a bit
they should have a neutral setting
i think what it shows is that perhaps the teams are pretty closely matched..and it would depend alot on context on which team would win
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Isnt this about the best NBA teams not teams that had success during playoffs.
2011-2012 Bulls should've been on here.
2011-2012 Bulls should've been on here.
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you have to provide a medium..
there are some good regular season teams that are not on there that have a case
there are also some teams who did well in the playoffs who really shouldnt be on there
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the old man version of the celtics took the heat to 7 because they didn't have bosh for a big while
the celtics took the hawks lightly? ehh..that's kind of a weak excuse
the cavs, you said yourself, weren't really built for the playoffs(which i agree with) yet somehow took the mighty celtics to 7
the celtics had to surmount a huge comeback in LA to really ice the series
would have been a completely different series had LA kept the lead
BTW i'm not using the celtics to defend the heat, so i assume you're not referring to me
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ok..i was just making sure you didnt keep one team home and the other away the whole time because that makes quite a big difference
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Maybe the 12 Heat aren't as strong 1-12 as some of the teams on the list, but their #2 guy is better than a lot of twos on this list besides Kobe to Shaq.
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2001 76ers? :shrug:
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Why would you put the 05 pistons over the 04 pistons? And the 04 Lakers over both of them?
...That makes no sense.
...That makes no sense.
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Paging FirstTimer and RorySparrow.... Paging FirstTimer and RorySparrow.
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One of the worst teams ever to make the Finals.
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Get used to it from him.
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