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Yes, it absolutely should. AST:TOV does have a lot to do with passing ability though. Typically, the best passers do better with that statistic.

Wow, breaking news from the Rami sprots desk. Good passers have a good AST:TO ratio.

In other breaking news just coming across : Many times a teams best passer happens to play PG.


More on this breaking story at 6.
 

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Is this debate worth reading for some lulz? :thinking:

Nah, just the usual. Rami being stupid. Although it appears he finally learned what basketballreference.com is.
 

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i'm sure steve nash would have fun in a mike brown system
 

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Once again, you fail to factor in 3pt% and FT% into the question. Nash was indeed a more efficient scorer than LBJ and Wade in Dallas for all except the first season.

And no. The Suns do not play the same style as they did when D'Antoni as the coach. They play a considerably slower pace now.
 

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Nah, just the usual. Rami being stupid. Although it appears he finally learned what basketballreference.com is.

Damn. Nothing to see here then
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Once again, you fail to factor in 3pt% and FT% into the question. Nash was indeed a more efficient scorer than LBJ and Wade in Dallas for all except the first season.

And no. The Suns do not play the same style as they did when D'Antoni as the coach. They play a considerably slower pace now.

it's pretty funny how the suns were still 8th in scoring this year with marcin gortat as their leading scorer

the year before, the suns were 4th with 105.0 PPG

i would attribute the 98.5 or so PPG last year a bit to losing basically half of the gortat-carter trade for richardson(who for 25 games, was the leading scorer for the suns at 19 PPG), and the lockouts which made play look a bit sloppier
 

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Once again, you fail to factor in 3pt%
You do realize that FG% factors in 3pt% right?

RIGHT?!

I'd say it's even more impressive given that Lebron shot 10% worse from 3pt land that he still ended up shooting 3% better than Nash overall in the season in my example.


and FT% into the question.
Great. But let's look at the actual stats and factors. What would you rather have for efficiency? A guy shooing 92% shooting 3 FT's per game..or a guy shooting 77% shooting shooting 10+ FT's per game? Looking at percentages I could name quite a few players that shot better than James across the board or for the most part in categories. It doesn't really prove/show much though because it ignores the way the games were actually played.


Again, you're missing the forest from the trees here. If your point is that Nash is a better FT shooter than James...sure whatever. Point conceded. But it's a shitty point to win.

Lebron James could be and has been more efficient as Nash even with the deck stacked more in Nash's favor. That's not a great "victory" for Nash and a rather dubious set of circumstances to hang your hat on.

Flip the situations around and given what we know of each player and what we have seen each player do I really doubt you'd find anyone with a brain saying Lebron wouldn't shit all over Nash's numbers if LBJ got to run and gun for seasons on end.


The Suns do not play the same style as they did when D'Antoni as the coach. They play a considerably slower pace now.
When asked for proof of Rami not watching basketball...I shall always present this quote.
 

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I don't quite get how looking at %'s of a certain type of basket would equate with efficiency. If LeBron can take 10 shot attempts and end up with 18 points on 5 made baskets, 1 3-pointer and 7 FTs...does it really matter what his 3pt% and FT%s are? If Nash takes 10 shot attempts and ends up with 8 points but is 100% on both his 3pt and FT attempts...does that make him more "efficient"?

This. Plus I'd venture to say it's easier to shoot better when you can pick your spots more and take less difficult shots over the course of a game/season like Nash did in comparison to a player like Lebron who was leaned on to score nearly 30 a night and was facing more than likely better defenders, taking more difficult shots against them etc.

But no. Let's not actually talk basketball. Let's just look at stats and go on nothing but those.
 

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29.7/20.1=1.47776 Lebron 09-10

18.8/13.4=1.402 Nash 05-06

interesting:shifty:
 

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points/# of shots

29.7/20.1=1.47776 Lebron 09-10

18.8/13.4=1.402 Nash 05-06

interesting:shifty:

Efficiency still a shitty point to argue, because the more shots someone takes, the efficiency will probably go down. LeBron is more efficient, but even if Nash was more efficient, I'm taking LeBron all day long and three times on Sunday.

LeBron also did that being the focal point of a Cavs offense with old Shaq, Andrerson Varajo, Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Nash had Amare to help draw attention away.
 
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That's just it. Its kind of a shitty point to argue, because the more shots someone takes, the efficiency will probably go down. Nash is more efficient, but at the end of the day, I'm taking LeBron all day long and three times on Sunday.

WUT...maybe i wrote it wrong or you looked at it wrong

but even with lebron taking more shots, he was principally more efficient
 

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That's just it. Its kind of a shitty point to argue, because the more shots someone takes, the efficiency will probably go down. Nash is more efficient, but at the end of the day, I'm taking LeBron all day long and three times on Sunday.

God damn Dubuque public school system.

Read it again.
 

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29.7/20.1=1.47776 Lebron 09-10

18.8/13.4=1.402 Nash 05-06

interesting:shifty:

I see where are going with this but that leaves out(I believe) the attempted FT's too...which would have likely swung it back to Nash's favor.
 

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I see where are going with this but that leaves out(I believe) the attempted FT's too...which would have likely swung it back to Nash's favor.
good point...i think it's still pretty close though
 

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good point...i think it's still pretty close though

Nash goes back ahead 1.1 to .9.

Statistically it's negligible...especially given the fact that James was scoring over 10ppg more.
 

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Career wise including FTA's it's 1 to .9 for Nash

Career wise NOT including FTA's it's a dead heat at 1.35
 

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