OT: Sammy Sosa's skin

[cubsneedmiracle]

sorry, il take a shitty ball player over a steroid abusing cheating player all day long. the real deal was matt karchner, how did that work out for ya?

you're a pretty shitty fan if you are going to stick up for slammin sammy. let me guess you liked bonds too? or are you a hypocrit that thinks hes a prick for passin up your boy sammy....by whatta know.....cheating.

you are either just a giant homer or you believe he "just works out"

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Man you get whacked up if it shows the Cubs got the good end of a deal with your team.. It happened bro.

I've come to grips that pretty much the entire game was using during that era.. I'm not forgiving but nor am I gonna forget the moments that shaped seasons and most of our memories.

So yeah I'll take a guy that hit 60+ bombs for several years.. you can take George Bell if you want.

 

[JosMin]

I'm of the opinion that everyone is guilty until they die without anyone ever having concrete evidence to prove otherwise. It's just the route you have to take at this point. It was running rampant in the sport for the better portion of 15 years. It seems like anyone who gives an interview or talks candidly about is says that PEDs were just conventional wisdom -- everyone was doing them or, at the very least, was curious about them.

It's unfortunate, but whatever. It happened. It's always going to happen. Science and money will always be one step ahead of the testing. The whole Mitchell Report fiasco proves that.

 

[DewsSox79]

Man you get whacked up if it shows the Cubs got the good end of a deal with your team.. It happened bro.

I've come to grips that pretty much the entire game was using during that era.. I'm not forgiving but nor am I gonna forget the moments that shaped seasons and most of our memories.

So yeah I'll take a guy that hit 60+ bombs for several years.. you can take George Bell if you want.

not really. If he stayed with the sox and did that id be ashamed at myself for falling into the trap. Again, it isnt about who won the deal, and this isnt cubs vs sox. but if you want to go there we can.

I will take the guy on the left that helped contribute to a championship over some loser who won you guys what? yay he hit long balls!!! its always about championships, anything less is a failure. tell matt karchner i said hi. but hey im jealous of losing sammy. please.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

not really. If he stayed with the sox and did that id be ashamed at myself for falling into the trap. Again, it isnt about who won the deal, and this isnt cubs vs sox. but if you want to go there we can.

I will take the guy on the left that helped contribute to a championship over some loser who won you guys what? yay he hit long balls!!! its always about championships, anything less is a failure. tell matt karchner i said hi. but hey im jealous of losing sammy. please.

Lol so you're equating Garland to Sosa?

I didn't know that he took roids.

 

[Rice Cube]

Hmmm. This is different.

I don't doubt that Jon Garland was fun to watch if you were a White Sox fan, and he was pretty solid for a while, but I think there's a huge difference between a slightly above-average pitcher (who is still useful, don't get me wrong) and a borderline Hall of Fame hitter. Sammy Sosa was loads of fun to watch. That's all that matters to a lot of fans. Sports fans are irrational, and you can say steroids skewed the numbers and he cheated etc., but there's no denying that Sammy Sosa was a blast to watch play baseball. And I'm okay with that, no matter how stupid people think I am for saying so.

 

[ZDemp34]

I agree with Rice. Steroids or not, you weren't a real baseball fan if you didn't enjoy watching Sosa hit.

 

[Rice Cube]

I mean, think about it this way...

I've been a baseball fan since about 1996 (like, a serious fan, I liked it before but didn't follow it) and was a Cubs fan since 1998 because of Sammy Sosa. I'm not going to throw away 6-7 seasons of good memories just because ZOMFG HE WAS JUICING. I don't have the time or the energy to feel sorry about a guy I've never actually met who probably wouldn't invite me over to a BBQ anyway because he might have stuck himself with a needle. He probably did. Who cares? I had fun. Cubs fans had fun. Trying to instill some sense of false integrity into a sport that like most other sports is brimming with corruption under the surface is silly to me. I'm not going to politicize it. I'm just looking for the guys who appear to be the best players and then I'm going to follow them because they can play baseball very well, and that's fun for me to watch. I probably have a difference set of values than you, but this is baseball. I'm not advocating burning an ethnic group in hot ovens or blowing up a city with an atomic bomb. To have this level of outrage over a child's game and discount nearly a decade of pure fun just does not compute for me.

And yes, I am aware that Sosa couldn't help the Cubs win a World Series, but neither did most of the Cubs' Hall of Famers. Does that make them any less fun to watch? Yeah, it's disappointing they didn't ultimately win, but nobody would watch the Cubs at all if they didn't find them at least a bit fun.

 

[dabynsky]

I mean, think about it this way...

I've been a baseball fan since about 1996 (like, a serious fan, I liked it before but didn't follow it) and was a Cubs fan since 1998 because of Sammy Sosa. I'm not going to throw away 6-7 seasons of good memories just because ZOMFG HE WAS JUICING. I don't have the time or the energy to feel sorry about a guy I've never actually met who probably wouldn't invite me over to a BBQ anyway because he might have stuck himself with a needle. He probably did. Who cares? I had fun. Cubs fans had fun. Trying to instill some sense of false integrity into a sport that like most other sports is brimming with corruption under the surface is silly to me. I'm not going to politicize it. I'm just looking for the guys who appear to be the best players and then I'm going to follow them because they can play baseball very well, and that's fun for me to watch. I probably have a difference set of values than you, but this is baseball. I'm not advocating burning an ethnic group in hot ovens or blowing up a city with an atomic bomb. To have this level of outrage over a child's game and discount nearly a decade of pure fun just does not compute for me.

And yes, I am aware that Sosa couldn't help the Cubs win a World Series, but neither did most of the Cubs' Hall of Famers. Does that make them any less fun to watch? Yeah, it's disappointing they didn't ultimately win, but nobody would watch the Cubs at all if they didn't find them at least a bit fun.

As always a well written and thought out post on the subject of Cubdom, Rice. The bolded though is the statement that I think too often gets forgotten. People act as if it is only in the past 20 years that baseball players have used things outside of their natural abilities to determine the outcome of a baseball game.

 

[DewsSox79]

Hmmm. This is different.

I don't doubt that Jon Garland was fun to watch if you were a White Sox fan, and he was pretty solid for a while, but I think there's a huge difference between a slightly above-average pitcher (who is still useful, don't get me wrong) and a borderline Hall of Fame hitter. Sammy Sosa was loads of fun to watch. That's all that matters to a lot of fans. Sports fans are irrational, and you can say steroids skewed the numbers and he cheated etc., but there's no denying that Sammy Sosa was a blast to watch play baseball. And I'm okay with that, no matter how stupid people think I am for saying so.

he will never get there.

also you missed the whole entire fucking point. id much rather have a slightly above avg pitcher in a trade that helped win a championship than some science project hitting home runs winning the cubs nothing. if homeruns is your championship, so be it....its not for me thats for sure.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

So then take 05 out of the equation.

Who would you HONESTLY rather have?

 

[JosMin]

With all due respect, Dewey.... Jon Garland was the fourth best pitcher on a World Series winning team. To say that his contributions (and I'm not saying that he didn't help them quite a bit, but again, he was their fourth best starter) to one magic season in White Sox lore were more important than what Sammy Sosa did for the Cubs, and more importantly, for baseball during his peak, is kind of silly.

Sammy Sosa is a Cubs legend. He was our most important player for 13 years and captivated every single fan when he ran out to right field. My dad and his brothers had Ron Santo clicking his heels. I had Sammy Sosa smashing homers onto Waveland Avenue. Downplaying Sosa's importance because of his potential steroid use is unfair. I've listened to countless interviews with HoF players from the 60s and 70s (Mike Schmidt being a huge one) who all openly admit to rampant amphetamine use to help them get through long stretches on the road.

Those weren't against the rules at the time, but wouldn't you still consider those performance-enhancing drugs? It's a foreign substance you introduce to your body in order to get a competitive edge -- therefore, by definition, a performance-enhancing drug. And gee, they're banned from all sports today, so wouldn't you have to agree that they were helping players out. Do you think for a second that there wasn't a single player on that '05 Sox team that didn't do something to help get him through a tough stretch. Let's be serious, that entire team didn't have a single injury the whole year. Four pitchers throwing 200+ innings? Hmmm...

The whole steroid bullshit just needs to die. I mean, it's a tired argument. Guys did steroids. They made the game more interesting. Get over it. It's always going to be in the game as long as science stays two steps ahead of the testing.

 

[Rice Cube]

So then take 05 out of the equation.

Who would you HONESTLY rather have?

I think it's perfectly fine to be ecstatic about a World Series championship (in which the whole team was fun to watch) and still recognize who was the more fun player to watch.

 

[ZDemp34]

Sosa didn't win us anything but he was still more fun to watch as an individual player than anyone on the '05 Sox.

 

[brett05]

I'm of the opinion that everyone is guilty until they die without anyone ever having concrete evidence to prove otherwise...

You can't have evidence against a negative. Concrete or otherwise

 

[JosMin]

You can't have evidence against a negative. Concrete or otherwise

I have no idea what you're saying.

What I'm saying is that if people are going to assume that everyone is taking steroids, than alright. Everyone did steroids. Since that was the culture, everyone is guilty by association. And until they die without anyone having irrefutable evidence that states otherwise, then you have to go on assuming that they "cheated."

 

[brett05]

Sosa didn't win us anything but he was still more fun to watch as an individual player than anyone on the '05 Sox.

Frank Thomas says hello. I know he was hurt but a Frank ab > Sosa ab

 

[brett05]

I have no idea what you're saying.

What I'm saying is that if people are going to assume that everyone is taking steroids, than alright. Everyone did steroids. Since that was the culture, everyone is guilty by association. And until they die without anyone having irrefutable evidence that states otherwise, then you have to go on assuming that they "cheated."

You cannot have evidence that says I didn't do something. There is no evidence for a negative

 

[brett05]

But for the record I say Greg Maddux could easily been a roids user. He did it for recovery

 

[DewsSox79]

Sosa didn't win us anything but he was still more fun to watch as an individual player than anyone on the '05 Sox.

the final outcome of the 05 world series trumps everything sosa did by a long shot. if you are into individual stats, so be it.

 

[DewsSox79]

With all due respect, Dewey.... Jon Garland was the fourth best pitcher on a World Series winning team. To say that his contributions (and I'm not saying that he didn't help them quite a bit, but again, he was their fourth best starter) to one magic season in White Sox lore were more important than what Sammy Sosa did for the Cubs, and more importantly, for baseball during his peak, is kind of silly.

Sammy Sosa is a Cubs legend. He was our most important player for 13 years and captivated every single fan when he ran out to right field. My dad and his brothers had Ron Santo clicking his heels. I had Sammy Sosa smashing homers onto Waveland Avenue. Downplaying Sosa's importance because of his potential steroid use is unfair. I've listened to countless interviews with HoF players from the 60s and 70s (Mike Schmidt being a huge one) who all openly admit to rampant amphetamine use to help them get through long stretches on the road.

Those weren't against the rules at the time, but wouldn't you still consider those performance-enhancing drugs? It's a foreign substance you introduce to your body in order to get a competitive edge -- therefore, by definition, a performance-enhancing drug. And gee, they're banned from all sports today, so wouldn't you have to agree that they were helping players out. Do you think for a second that there wasn't a single player on that '05 Sox team that didn't do something to help get him through a tough stretch. Let's be serious, that entire team didn't have a single injury the whole year. Four pitchers throwing 200+ innings? Hmmm...

The whole steroid bullshit just needs to die. I mean, it's a tired argument. Guys did steroids. They made the game more interesting. Get over it. It's always going to be in the game as long as science stays two steps ahead of the testing.

what!!!!! so they must have been on greenies and roids you are trying to justify you arguement with that? please try again. FAIL