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ive already told you in 20,000 posts that the final destination is a WS. anything less is just stupid.
ive already told you in 20,000 posts that the final destination is a WS. anything less is just stupid.
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What was the question again?
As a Cubs fan, I found the memories I had of Sammy Sosa much more fun than the 2005 White Sox World Series Championship. I would find a Cubs World Series Championship more fun than Sammy Sosa but would still not give up my memories of Sosa for the world.
As a Cubs fan, I found the memories I had of Sammy Sosa much more fun than the 2005 White Sox World Series Championship. I would find a Cubs World Series Championship more fun than Sammy Sosa but would still not give up my memories of Sosa for the world.
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If my team won the World Series I don't think I give a shit how they did it as long as it didn't involve rape or murder :lol:
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So then doesn't that negate the whole thought of not acting like Sosa existed?
Honestly.. it can't work both ways.. at least in my mind.
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I don't think anyone who watched baseball in that span can deny that Sosa existed and was good at baseball.
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sorry, il take a shitty ball player over a steroid abusing cheating player all day long. the real deal was matt karchner, how did that work out for ya?
you're a pretty shitty fan if you are going to stick up for slammin sammy. let me guess you liked bonds too? or are you a hypocrit that thinks hes a prick for passin up your boy sammy....by whatta know.....cheating.
you are either just a giant homer or you believe he "just works out"
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Nobody's perfect.
To be fair, though, he's not saying Sosa wasn't good at baseball, he's just saying Sosa cheated and thus all his achievements are bunk. That's probably another conversation.
To be fair, though, he's not saying Sosa wasn't good at baseball, he's just saying Sosa cheated and thus all his achievements are bunk. That's probably another conversation.
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Nahh he says he'd rather have a shitty player than a cheater.. That's pretty much saying he wouldn't want him to exist..
That's where my whole point is.. with how the discussion went forth..
If the WS is the true success.. and in Dewey's mind.. a cheater shouldn't even be there even in past tense..
What if a team with a bunch of Juicer's won?
How would that be viewed then?
In my mind.. that would legitimize that era in total.. Cause I'm sure there are players that had effects in the post-season that used.. actually there are.
That's the whole point I'm trying to get across. I know they danced around it because you can't have it both ways.. Especially in past tense when use was so huge in the sport.
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Yeah true....I honestly don't care if he cheated though because either way, he was fun to watch. I'm not going to feed the Sox fans anything more
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The thing is the Mitchell report is probably less than 5% of what actually happened during the main User era..
You're probably looking at almost two decades worth of users effecting the outcomes of post-season series.
You're probably looking at almost two decades worth of users effecting the outcomes of post-season series.
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Probably more. I think steroids have been around well before the days of Canseco and McGwire.
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Exactly what I'm getting at.
So I hope that there are teams that through time will be cleared of any suspicion.. because if its proven that just for example (one that you guys know of) 2005.. The Sox we're clean.. or very clean.. compared to Houston.. That's a larger achievement in itself.
That can be said for any post-season matchup in this era.. Which potentially could date back even 30 years or more..
I don't think we'll ever know the true usage.. There will probably be an amount of players that get off without having to answer to it.
I think dealing with the era we've been in.. (and in some cases still are in) It's hard to write off players just because they used.. It would be easy to do that if it was sparing usage. It's not from what we know.
That leads into the whole HoF thing which I'm sure as the Class of 2013 draws near will be a large topic.. and I'll leave that part of it for later.
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I am not sure what you think Sox fans are dancing around.
I do not think the proportion of usage was any different for any organization than another.
I do not think the proportion of usage was any different for any organization than another.
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Well it was up for basically two days.. other peoples posts got answered..
Just figuring on the full hypothetical not really even going on saying the Sox we're better or worse as a statement but more as potential example... but I think my answer was figured already.. so thanks for not playing
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I'm still not sure what we didn't play CNM. Perhaps, just perhaps you phrased it poorly
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