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I said trade him and 2 firsts for Watson. Obviously a long shot for Houston to accept.
Yeah, it isn’t really realistic is it.
 

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He just through for almost 5000 yards and 33TDs on the 3rd worst team in the league.

He would be fine here.

Also, Fuck Ryan Pace
Oh I'm sure Watson would be fine individually as a player but with the salary cap hit and all the picks it would take to get him the bears would just become the Texans of the NFC until they reloaded and hit on some picks with their draft capital. Would be good in the long term but bad in the short term. A guy like Pace isn't going to risk his job rebuilding for a couple more years because he'll be fired before that happens.
 

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Yeah, it isn’t really realistic is it.
Not really but it is Houston. But its fun to dream of having a competent QB1 on the inernet.
 

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We went this route trading all of our draft picks for a player that significantly hampered out ability to build a team, both via those picks and financially. Heck, we did it with a quarterback about a decade ago.

Maybe part of the reason the Texans are having trouble is because they have several big name players sucking up significant cap space money. I'm sure Watson is a substantial improvement over Mitch but will he, alone, bring us a championship since we would have to literally gut the team to afford him, and Mack. We would be Texans 2.0 with worse weather.
 

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We went this route trading all of our draft picks for a player that significantly hampered out ability to build a team, both via those picks and financially. Heck, we did it with a quarterback about a decade ago.

Maybe part of the reason the Texans are having trouble is because they have several big name players sucking up significant cap space money. I'm sure Watson is a substantial improvement over Mitch but will he, alone, bring us a championship since we would have to literally gut the team to afford him, and Mack. We would be Texans 2.0 with worse weather.
Comparing one of the best young QBs in the league to Jay Cutler is terrible. And yeah, too bad we dont have those Ryan Pace first round picks. Theyre known for hitting way more than missing. oh wait...
 

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Watson, much like Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Favre, Peyton Manning, Montana, Luckman, etc., etc would have been

RUINED

by playcalling and charles leno
 

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Comparing one of the best young QBs in the league to Jay Cutler is terrible. And yeah, too bad we dont have those Ryan Pace first round picks. Theyre known for hitting way more than missing. oh wait...

Ok, lets look at that record. Texans were 4-12 this year. Why was that? Maybe it was because large contracts like Watson's and Watts removed most of the flexibility in the Texan's front office and their ability to put talent with DeShaun.

Watson is better than Cutler but lets also look back and realize that we all thought that Cutler was going to be the young talent that would bring this team a Superbowl trophy and he wasn't. Watson is a better player but he is also more expensive. Not only will the Bears have to give up a lot more than we did for either Cutler or Mack, Chicago will we not be able to bring in the better free agents to take advantage of Watson's skill set nor will theyt have the draft picks to put young talent next to him if we give up all of our picks for him. It has nothing to do with Pace's ability to select talent, it has to do with the fact that if we trade for Watson most of the mid price range talent on this team will have to be let go.

I would love him in Bears Blue but rarely do you see these kinds of mega trades work out well for the team that takes the star. We have already had this happen with Kalil Mack. We all thought that he was going to be dominant for us and that the defense would be unbeatable. He WAS the best at his position when we made that trade. He hasn't lived up to expectations. Put Watson behind a shit line with the same kind of receivers that Cutler had to deal with and I am willing to bet he drops at least 1000 yards off of his year and probably will double his interceptions. That would still be decent but it would also leave us 4-12 with no chance to easily improve this team.
 
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Ok, lets look at that record. Texans were 4-12 this year. Why was that? Maybe it was because large contracts like Watson's and Watts removed most of the flexibility in the Texan's front office and their ability to put talent with DeShaun.

Watson is better than Cutler but lets also look back and realize that we all thought that Cutler was going to be the young talent that would bring this team a Superbowl trophy and he wasn't. Watson is a better player but he is also more expensive. Not only will the Bears have to give up a lot more than we did for either Cutler or Mack, Chicago will we not be able to bring in the better free agents to take advantage of Watson's skill set nor will theyt have the draft picks to put young talent next to him if we give up all of our picks for him. It has nothing to do with Pace's ability to select talent, it has to do with the fact that if we trade for Watson most of the mid price range talent on this team will have to be let go.

I would love him in Bears Blue but rarely do you see these kinds of mega trades work out well for the team that takes the star. We have already had this happen with Kalil Mack. We all thought that he was going to be dominant for us and that the defense would be unbeatable. He WAS the best at his position when we made that trade. He hasn't lived up to expectations. Put Watson behind a shit line with the same kind of receivers that Cutler had to deal with and I am willing to bet he drops at least 1000 yards off of his year and probably will double his interceptions. That would still be decent but it would also leave us 4-12 with no chance to easily improve this team.
Ok but that isn't reality. This team isn't the 2009 Bears. You make some good points but Watson during a year where he led the league in yardage had an OL worse than the Bears and barely any weapons to work with. Something tells me a guy that can almost put up 5000 yards could do way more with less than Jay Cutler did.

The Cutler deal is way different because Cutler was a one year wonder who people kept saying was a loser. Turned out they were right. These types of trades for franchise QBs dont even happen in the modern NFL. Cutler wasnt one of them. He was just a guy. Josh McDaniels was way ahead of the curve. Watson is a certified difference maker at the position. Again, look at what he's done the past few years. IMO thats priceless for a team that hasn't has anything close to a franchise qb. The spreading the weath around thing hasn't worked for the Bears. Its all been attempted.

The putting all your eggs in the proven upper tier QB basket has yet to be checked off. Give me the massive contract. They won 8 games with garbage QBs and without Eddie Jackson or Robert Quinn supplying a damn thing.

Is there anything the Texans do right now better than the Bears outside of having a great QB? I cant think of anything.
 

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Ok but that isn't reality. This team isn't the 2009 Bears. You make some good points but Watson during a year where he led the league in yardage had an OL worse than the Bears and barely any weapons to work with. Something tells me a guy that can almost put up 5000 yards could do way more with less than Jay Cutler did.

The Cutler deal is way different because Cutler was a one year wonder who people kept saying was a loser. Turned out they were right. These types of trades for franchise QBs dont even happen in the modern NFL. Cutler wasnt one of them. He was just a guy. Josh McDaniels was way ahead of the curve. Watson is a certified difference maker at the position. Again, look at what he's done the past few years. IMO thats priceless for a team that hasn't has anything close to a franchise qb. The spreading the weath around thing hasn't worked for the Bears. Its all been attempted.

The putting all your eggs in the proven upper tier QB basket has yet to be checked off. Give me the massive contract. They won 8 games with garbage QBs and without Eddie Jackson or Robert Quinn supplying a damn thing.

Is there anything the Texans do right now better than the Bears outside of having a great QB? I cant think of anything.

But in essence you are proving my point. The Bears won eight games with a quarterback of obviously less talent. Watson played with less wide receiver talent, a porous offensive line and a bad defense. They were 27th in points allowed, 30th in yards allowed, 30th in rushing TDs allowed and dead last in turnovers. You have to have talent on both sides of the ball to be successful. A top tier QB is essential but not the only component of winning football.

How much of Watson's contract contributed to that? Honestly I am not sure sure but it, and other contracts like for guys like Watt, had to have something to do with the teams poor play. In all honesty his cap hit in 2020 isn't terrible and it isn't horrible in 2021 (something like 16 Million in 2021). But the cap hit goes to an amazing 40 million and 42 million for the next two years.

Now imagine that contract coming to Chicago. We basically would be able to put a potentially solid team around him for maybe one year. Maybe. After that the escalation of the contract would hamstring the ability to replace vets that would have to be let go. To make matters worse we wouldn't have some potential lower contract draft picks that could work their way into starting positions. We probably couldn't sign players like Allen Robinson because of the issues of staying under the cap for 2022. Kyle Fuller, Akiem Hicks would probably have to walk. Roquan Smith would be in his fifth year and could be tendered for another year but it would be difficult to sign him long term as well. Lets remember that Khalil Mack is still getting 27 million for that year. Even if the 2022 Cap is back at the same level as in 2020 we are looking at roughly 1/3 of Chicago's available cap space taken up by two players.


The reason teams like Green Bay and Seattle continue to win despite paying large salaries for their QBs is because they have draft picks to bring in talent where it is needed. As much as I like Watson and would love to see him in a Bears uniform I fear all we will do is waste him and saddle him with a substandard team. Simply put, the players we have here that got us to 8-8 would have to either be traded away or released to keep us under the cap. One of the biggest reasons teams pay QBs that much after their rookie contract is because it is a stable position and teams can draft to fill holes otherwise taken up by expensive free agents.

As I said. I would love to have Watson here but I don't think it would be a win for Chicago. If DeShaun Watson was frustrated there imagine his frustration here dealing with a team that would deteriorate rapidly right after he arrived. At least in Houston there is a chance that the team can rebuild. Here there would be no chance for at least two to three years.
 

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Why not? You shed Macks salary and get a QB1. Bears could pick next two years in a row and end up with two more TruBEARskys.
They arent taking on Mack's salary and age. Full stop.

They are rebuilding from the ground up.
 

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Is he though? They had 4 wins this year, hardly shows him capable of winning many shootouts

In the OP's defense, this year was something of an aberration as far as Houston is concerned. Watson was probably the main reason the Texans won four games. Houston lost seven games by a touchdown or less, eight if you add the two point conversion. They still weren't good but Watson at least kept them in games.
 

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They arent taking on Mack's salary and age. Full stop.

They are rebuilding from the ground up.
Exactly. Dumping Mack in 2021 would result in a 37 million dollar cap hit. No one is going to pick up his salary this coming year with everyone trying to limit costs. Maybe 2022 but he would still cost 12 mil to dump.

Mack will be with the team until 2024 before it would be financially practical to release him.
 

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Watson would cost more in cap space to trade than keep in 2021. Earliest he could conceivably be traded is 2022.
 

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In the OP's defense, this year was something of an aberration as far as Houston is concerned. Watson was probably the main reason the Texans won four games. Houston lost seven games by a touchdown or less, eight if you add the two point conversion. They still weren't good but Watson at least kept them in games.

I hear you, but the only teams he was able to outscore were the Jags (2x), Lions, and Pats.....all teams who were hardly offensive or defensive powerhouses. In fact alot of people gave Mitch a ton of shit for only being able to beat teams like the Jags and Lions. I know Watson can put up some yards, but that didnt translate into wins for his team this year.
 

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I hear you, but the only teams he was able to outscore were the Jags (2x), Lions, and Pats.....all teams who were hardly offensive or defensive powerhouses. In fact alot of people gave Mitch a ton of shit for only being able to beat teams like the Jags and Lions. I know Watson can put up some yards, but that didnt translate into wins for his team this year.

LOL your comments make no sense

He was only able to outscore 3 teams then you tossed your garbage Mitch comparison in there and then said his yards didn't translate to wins .

Mitch gets shit on for only playing well against bad teams but his team has given him a chance to win more games if he played well and he just hasnt

Watson has played well nearly all the time but his team has not and thats the difference . If Mitch showed up as much as watson and played at a even as high as Watson we would be favored to win the nfc .


Lets not forget about another possible game winning drive where the receiver fumbles inside the ten the last game against the Titans he ties the game with 22 seconds and the defense gives up a 52 yard bomb to setup the opponents game winning fg .

Hes given his team a chance to win those games against good teams but they simply dont have the talent . The Bears have the talent but their qb never gives them a real chance.
 

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And just like that, the most reliable source of info in the Bears world confirms that he wants a trade, lol
 

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They arent taking on Mack's salary and age. Full stop.

They are rebuilding from the ground up.
Yep I said it was a dream. So is getting Watson without shedding serious salary. Maybe get a 3rd team involved? I don't know but I sure as hell would like Watson.
 

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Yep I said it was a dream. So is getting Watson without shedding serious salary. Maybe get a 3rd team involved? I don't know but I sure as hell would like Watson.

Sorry missed the dream stuff. Bears only real trade pieces are the draft picks and maybe Roquan, Mooney or Kmet. Everyone else is basically not worth trading for or untradeable. Great roster!
 

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