Over Cap by 4 million?

[Cornflake]

Is this article true? Just came across when i started to try my summer cap crunching numbers lol...

I didn't even know that it worked that way.

 

[Cornflake]

oops...link

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010 ... llions.php

 

[roshinaya]

this has been already been mentioned in the in the toews conn smythe topic, but no one seems to want to talk about it, busy enjoying the cup win. the only confirmation there's been is that the 1.3 million bonus for toews. i don't know if the $4m bonus is accurate.

 

[bierboy]

Trib today also reporting Toews bonus counts against the cap.

 

[The Count Dante]

Hawks will need a few cheap diamonds in the rough.



But such is the nature of the Cap

 

[phranchk]

As much as I love Campbell, he may be the one of the ones to go if they can pull off a trade. His trade value should be pretty high considering teams saw what happened when he came back into the lineup. He does have a partial no trade clause though.

The reason I say campbell is because we have a pretty good young kid on the back end in Lalonde. I know there's no way he's going to be as good as Campbell getting the puck up the ice, but hey, we need to shed salary somehow and he's got the biggest salary to shed.



Now if I remember correctly, the NHL doesn't allow for renegotiating/restructure contracts. Can anyone verify that?

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="phranchk"]As much as I love Campbell, he may be the one of the ones to go if they can pull off a trade. His trade value should be pretty high considering teams saw what happened when he came back into the lineup. He does have a partial no trade clause though.

The reason I say campbell is because we have a pretty good young kid on the back end in Lalonde. I know there's no way he's going to be as good as Campbell getting the puck up the ice, but hey, we need to shed salary somehow and he's got the biggest salary to shed.



Now if I remember correctly, the NHL doesn't allow for renegotiating/restructure contracts. Can anyone verify that?[/quote]





No, it does not.



From the CBA.



Player contracts will not be renegotiated (upward or downward) during their term. Extensions may be negotiated but only in the final year of the contract and only if such extension is for an amount that can be accommodated in a Club's upper limit for the current year or as computed for future years.

 

[whalerhawk]

From what I heard, not only is Toews Conn Smythe bonus counting against next year's cap, but because Kane and Toews hit all of their "A" and "B" bonuses this year, those get pushed to next year's cap as well because we were right up against the cap last year and we could not apply those bonuses to the 09-10 season, so while every other team gets to play with about $58.5 million, the Hawks will have to fit their roster in under a cap of about $4 million less than that figure for 10-11.



Found the link. Its from the Globe and Mail in Toronto.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...exceed-salary-cap-by-millions/article1601162/

 

[fanof19]

everyone knows that a team never stays the same from year to year. the good news is that we have a deep farm system at this point, so we can trade and pull up. if we didn't, we might have a problem. each player we trade from this year will have more bargaining power because they won the Cup. it's really not as doom and gloom as people would like to make it, and really we only have to move 2 people to get under the cap. toronto wants sharp and buff badly. for all the people who thought they were over paid and not earning their salary, that should make you happy. campbell is tradable. versteeg is wanted. the guys they would pull up from the hogs are under a million. the whole idea of the cap does away with dynasties. enjoy the summer and let scooter and his pop worry about the numbers. scooter is the numbers genius anyway.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="fanof19"]everyone knows that a team never stays the same from year to year. the good news is that we have a deep farm system at this point, so we can trade and pull up. if we didn't, we might have a problem. each player we trade from this year will have more bargaining power because they won the Cup. it's really not as doom and gloom as people would like to make it, and really we only have to move 2 people to get under the cap. toronto wants sharp and buff badly. for all the people who thought they were over paid and not earning their salary, that should make you happy. campbell is tradable. versteeg is wanted. the guys they would pull up from the hogs are under a million. the whole idea of the cap does away with dynasties. enjoy the summer and let scooter and his pop worry about the numbers. scooter is the numbers genius anyway.[/quote]



He's going to have to be one seeing as his post office blunder probably cost him about $2 additional million on the Versteeg deal.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Big picture is we're going to lose a couple of good players. But we will get some very good prospects and young players in return.



But the core of Keith, Seabrook, Toew, Kane, Hossa isn't going anywhere. And that is MUCH more important than losing a couple of 2d and 3d liners.



Keep in mind that Scotty has won 12 Cups, and was part of both the Canadiens dynasty and the Wings dynasty. Nobody has built one in the salary cap era, but if anybody can mastermind it first, he is the one.



-5Minutes

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="fanof19"] toronto wants sharp and buff badly. for all the people who thought they were over paid and not earning their salary, that should make you happy. campbell is tradable. versteeg is wanted. the guys they would pull up from the hogs are under a million. the whole idea of the cap does away with dynasties. enjoy the summer and let scooter and his pop worry about the numbers. scooter is the numbers genius anyway.[/quote]



Campbell cannot be traded due to a clause in his contract.



Of Sharp, Buff and Versteeg, probably Versteeg would be the one easiest to replace.

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



Campbell cannot be traded due to a clause in his contract.



Of Sharp, Buff and Versteeg, probably Versteeg would be the one easiest to replace.[/quote]

He does not have a complete no trade clause. If the Hawks want to trade he has to pick 8 teams he's willing to be traded to. If I remember, that's the difference between a no trade clause and a no move clause.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

More than the salary cap, my bigger concern right now is that the boys show up to camp sober and in shape. Maybe Capt Serious can email everyone a summer workout video. At least Kane did promise to keep his shirt on. lol.



-5Minutes

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="phranchk"]

He does not have a complete no trade clause. If the Hawks want to trade he has to pick 8 teams he's willing to be traded to. If I remember, that's the difference between a no trade clause and a no move clause.[/quote]



These are the 2 clauses.



No trade clause - player cannot be traded without his consent; consent not required for waivers for assignment to minors.



No movement clause - player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent.



But you are right that Campbell's no trade clause says he could chose 8 teams he would accept a trade to. I stand corrected.



However, I don't see that happening considering his salary.

 

[supraman]

Not a fan of the bonuses hitting the cap. That does suck, wouldnt be so bad if a percentage counted against it or something. But hopefully Scooter pulls off a miracle.

 

[Guest]

The Hawks are not in as dire shape as everyone from "other" sources/teams/fans seem to make them out to be. The Core is extremely strong, and the depth is there to replace MOST players that will be moving on.



Bob---



Versteeg, Sopel, Campbell and Huet are all on the trading block. Expect Huet to be dumped to the minors.- Bob MacKenzie



If the Hawks were able to to the above you would clear about 18 mil. While losing Campbell would suck big time, Duncan is probably ready to take over for him at this point. Don't anyone make a mistake about it Brian Campbell was a HUGE part of this Cup run and without him we probably don't get out of the first round. Shame his contract just sucks ass.



Fanof19 says it perfectly. In the Salary cap ERA teams do and will not remain the same. Having breakfast with Bowman last year he was very firm on who was staying and how to maintain the core. I'm pretty confident we'll make a run at the Cup for the next few years with this core and will have fun reading those idiots that are jealous saying we'll be depleted.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



These are the 2 clauses.



No trade clause - player cannot be traded without his consent; consent not required for waivers for assignment to minors.



No movement clause - player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent.



But you are right that Campbell's no trade clause says he could chose 8 teams he would accept a trade to. I stand corrected.



However, I don't see that happening considering his salary.[/quote]



See I disagree. IF there is a team that want's and can afford him, they'll make a move. Puck moving D men like Campbell, who are key in winning the Stanley Cup just don't grow on trees. Make no mistake about it the Hawks might not have gotten out of the first round without him.

 

[Cornflake]

The way I've looked at things if we dump Huet to the ahl, we've got approx 6.2 million to sign hammer, niemi, a backup, a entire 4th line and a 6th dmen.



If they get the fourth line at league minimum (500,000) and the 6th dman that's 2 mil

that leaves 4.2 million aprrox to resign hammer, a backup and niemi.



I have no idea how much those two are going to command at this point.



I'm sure like everybody else, I'm not overly bothered like other seasons since we won the cup. To be honest if a couple people have to moved like Vertseeg, so be it. I'd rather not have to move Buff or Versteeg. It's more me being curious at this point than being concerned lol.



My one concern is how you find money for both hammer and seabrook.

 

[Guest]

Another thing people keep leaving out as these are ALL players who just won the Stanley Cup. Other than HUET the talent and EXPERIENCE will be coveted by other teams. Meaning they won't strong arm the Hawks rather than bid against other competing teams.



The Hawks are not in as tight position as people are making them out to be. MANY teams will want players, other than HUET of course. I don't see anyone taking him but Rockford.