Over Cap by 4 million?

[HawksFan1988]

[quote name="Maiden"]



The only players I think are safe from moving are "The Tonight Show 4."

After that everyone else is open if makes sense for the organization.[/quote]



Okay, but in your honest opinion, do you see them getting rid of Hossa before a few other guys?

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="Cornflake"]

Okay one more question lol...i know it's way too early for these questions but i'm very curious lol Could you move Versteeg and replace him say with a player like Makarov? I haven't really seen him play, but are they not similar in styles? Or am I way off?[/quote]

I wouldn't say you are "way" off, but you are off. Makarov and Versteeg are quite different. Versteeg is pure offense, not the most responsible defensive guy and rarely uses his body all that much.



In the two prospect camps I've seen Makarov, he's probably got a bit less offensive upside at this point in his career (who knows how he will develop in this area?), but he plays all 200 feet, gets back on defense and REALLY throws his body around out there. In that regard, they ARE completely different players. Makarov uses his body effectively and issued some of the biggest prospect camp hits I've seen the last two years. Versteeg doesn't really bring that to the table.



We would lose quite a bit of offense if you take Versteeg and replace him with Makarov, but I assume we are going to lose quite a bit of offense anyway.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

I wouldn't say you are "way" off, but you are off. Makarov and Versteeg are quite different. Versteeg is pure offense, not the most responsible defensive guy and rarely uses his body all that much.



In the two prospect camps I've seen Makarov, he's probably got a bit less offensive upside at this point in his career (who knows how he will develop in this area?), but he plays all 200 feet, gets back on defense and REALLY throws his body around out there. In that regard, they ARE completely different players. Makarov uses his body effectively and issued some of the biggest prospect camp hits I've seen the last two years. Versteeg doesn't really bring that to the table.



We would lose quite a bit of offense if you take Versteeg and replace him with Makarov, but I assume we are going to lose quite a bit of offense anyway.[/quote]



Well you'll have Hossa for a full year. I believe Beach just led that league in scoring, not to say it will transfer, but it could very well do that. Not sure other players leaving other than possibly versteeg were that offensively gifted. Unless they need to shed a guy like Sharp, which I would seriously advise against with depth at Center being so important.



I also suggest guys like Toews and Kane will continue to add points. Toews could be near 80 as he develops and no telling Kane could have over 100pts at some time. That along with the addition of Hossa for a full year and will we lose offense? Not to mention Bolland playing a full year, healthy? We saw what he was like in all four rounds of the playoffs healthy.



As for Makarov I don't know where he plays. He would NOT take the pay cut to play in the AHL and I think that ruffled feathers, how ever Stan Bowman was always very high on him as were others that used to be in the mix. I think he could be just as good two way player as Versteeg and like you said add some weight in that position.



Before we suggest what we'll be losing and gaining lets see how it all plays out. People are making this "cap space" problem really more than it is.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Hossa isn't going anywhere. You can laminate that and put it in your wallet.



-5Minutes

 

[roshinaya]

[quote name="HawksFan1988"]Has anyone heard the absolutely ridiculous rumor that Espn Chicago [I think] is spewing?

Saying that Hossa might be moved to free up cap space?

Are people stupid?

There are 5 players who aren't going anywhere & Hossa is one of them.[/quote]



that might be based on a rumor started by some guy working on sports illustrated. the guy who wrote that was talking about trading the "rights" to hossa, thinking the guy is a free agent. i guess he missed the 12-year contract announcement last summer.

if you are going to spread baseless rumours, then at least try to get the basics correct.

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

I wouldn't say you are "way" off, but you are off. Makarov and Versteeg are quite different. Versteeg is pure offense, not the most responsible defensive guy and rarely uses his body all that much.



In the two prospect camps I've seen Makarov, he's probably got a bit less offensive upside at this point in his career (who knows how he will develop in this area?), but he plays all 200 feet, gets back on defense and REALLY throws his body around out there. In that regard, they ARE completely different players. Makarov uses his body effectively and issued some of the biggest prospect camp hits I've seen the last two years. Versteeg doesn't really bring that to the table.



We would lose quite a bit of offense if you take Versteeg and replace him with Makarov, but I assume we are going to lose quite a bit of offense anyway.[/quote]

Say what? Last I checked Versteeg was on the checking line for almost the entire playoff run. The same line that was responsible for shutting down the Sedin's, Heatley, Thornton, Moreau, etc....

Versteeg can certainly play defense when he's told that's his responsibility. In fact, his game took a huge leap forward when it happened. He became a complete 2 way player during this playoff run. I wouldn't compare him to Hossa or Toews, but it was a hell of a defensive game he played in the playoffs.

 

[roshinaya]

I've always thought that Versteeg had a pretty solid defensive game to begin with, better than his offensive game, where most of his mistakes happen. He dangles when he should dump it and causes a turnover, shoots it when he should pass and passes when he should shoot.

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="HawksFan1988"]Has anyone heard the absolutely ridiculous rumor that Espn Chicago [I think] is spewing?

Saying that Hossa might be moved to free up cap space?

Are people stupid?

There are 5 players who aren't going anywhere & Hossa is one of them.[/quote]

I have a buddy in Montana who said he heard that within a day or so of them winning the Cup. I don't believe Hoss is going anywhere.

 

[Larmer83]

Bob McKenzie this morning on NHL Live stated that he has read that the bonus overage is going to be 4 million but it's his guess that it will be closer to 2 million.

 

[PatrickShart]

He may have meant that they'll be 2 mil over based on the cap going up 2 mil? As in...4 mil in bonuses...cap goes up 2mil...hence the 2mil over now?



Who know...the fact is, they'll have to be (and I'm guessing they will be) at the cap come the time they need to be.



I really relish all the "experts" talking on "how much trouble CHI is now in"...when I've yet to hear 1 team with more talent on the Hawks - hell, even if they lost all 3 of Sharp, Versteeg, and Byfuglien (the most 3 mentioned).



They'll stil have their top 4 Dmen - Seabrook, Keith, Campbell, Hjarllmarsson

4 of thier top 6 - Toews, Kane, Bolland, Hossa

Role players - Kopecky, Brouwer (he did score 20) - either could be in the top 6



"Experts" keep mentioning that they'll "lose" Sharp, Versteeg or Byfuglien - as if they'll be FA's. Lets forget that they'll be TRADED for some good picks/prospects, and not mention that.



Or they talk how Campbell is "untradeable" because of his contract. Really now...hmmm. Yet, last summer, Gomez and Heatley were both moved and they both make more. Gomez was a failure in NY and Heatley a cancer in OTT - yet they get moved. Campbell is coming off a Cup and his value showed when he was out for 6 weeks, but he's "unmoveable".



Now, I'm a HUGE Campbell fan. Always was....but if they can move him, I think his stock wont be higher now. They'd have to find someone to "replace him" for a year or two until Lalonde is ready....but I think it may make sense to move him this off season if they can. I'm torn on that though.



But, I do think if they can move this group somehow- Huet, Sopel and Campbell..while losing Madden, Johansson, Burish ...that would free up 17.295 mil. It would go a long way in helping them re-sign Ladd, Eager, Hjarllmarsson and Niemi while allowing them to probably keep 2 of the 3 in Byfuglien, Versteeg and Sharp.

 

[fanof19]

all this whining about the cap makes me want to vomit. WTF do they think it takes to win a cup these days? you can't win them at a discount.

 

[MassHavoc]

2 questions, is Kim on LTIR and do we save any money there?



Also do we get to break up the hit and used whatever little bit we have left this year and then apply the rest to next year? I know it may only be a couple of 100k left this year but every penny counts.

 

[LordKOTL]

A couple of things:



1: I doubt Hossa will be moved. Not only for the aforementioned reasons, but I have it from a pretty good source that in an interview with the Slovak media, that Hossa considers the Indianhead wot be a good luck charm (see also, my sig). As such, given his contract, the length, and the fact he most likley wants to play here, I don't see him leaving.



2: I have a feeling Burish is not leaving us. His cap hit is something like 800k. I don't see it going up and him being healthy I can see him as a floater on the 4th line for some of our rookie players there as a vet presence. If he does ask for much more, of course, cut him loose, but I get the feeling he'll be in that payrange and for that anount of cash he's worth it--especially since he can take both Wing and Center.

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]2 questions, is Kim on LTIR and do we save any money there?



Also do we get to break up the hit and used whatever little bit we have left this year and then apply the rest to next year? I know it may only be a couple of 100k left this year but every penny counts.[/quote]



Question 1-No savings. You can't "save" it. An injury exemption against the cap can allow a team to exceed it for however long that player is injured.



#2- Prior to taking any earned bonus into account, the Hawks were a bit less than 300,000 under the cap for 2009-10. So the Towes Conn Smythe bonus means a 1 million dollar haircut against next year(1.3m bonus less this years cap leftover).

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="LordKOTL"]A couple of things:



1: I doubt Hossa will be moved. Not only for the aforementioned reasons, but I have it from a pretty good source that in an interview with the Slovak media, that Hossa considers the Indianhead wot be a good luck charm (see also, my sig). As such, given his contract, the length, and the fact he most likley wants to play here, I don't see him leaving.



2: I have a feeling Burish is not leaving us. His cap hit is something like 800k. I don't see it going up and him being healthy I can see him as a floater on the 4th line for some of our rookie players there as a vet presence. If he does ask for much more, of course, cut him loose, but I get the feeling he'll be in that payrange and for that anount of cash he's worth it--especially since he can take both Wing and Center.[/quote]

There's a post on the Blackhawks site where Hossa speaks about his jersey going right next to his Winterhawks Jersey.

The jersey will be hung up right next to another one that looks just like it inside Marian Hossa's home.



This one will be for the Stanley Cup, while the one that's already on his wall commemorates a Memorial Cup victory in juniors with the Portland Winterhawks, whose jerseys are almost identical to the Blackhawks'.



"As we got further and further (in the Playoffs), it felt like this was just meant to be," Hossa said of winning the Stanley Cup. "Going into Game 6, we were wearing white, and that's what we wore when we won (the Memorial Cup), in the white. I said, ‘This must be it.' Then it happened and what a great feeling."

 

[JTalarico328]

As everyone has been saying for a while, this summer comes down to the organization's willingness to eat some money if necessary.



1) Huet to Rockford (assuming nobody wants him in a trade)



2) Sopel traded for a pick or placed on waivers and picked up



3)Versteeg packaged with a pick on draft day, or something along those lines.



That should free up almost enough space right there, shouldn't it? There's truly no reason to panic as long as Huet's salary isn't apart of this roster next year. It's that simple.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="roshinaya"]I've always thought that Versteeg had a pretty solid defensive game to begin with, better than his offensive game, where most of his mistakes happen. He dangles when he should dump it and causes a turnover, shoots it when he should pass and passes when he should shoot.[/quote]

Maybe I'm harder on Versteeg than most. His hockey sense seems to be behind the rest of the team. Admittedly, I'm a hater and won't shed a tear if and when he gets traded. For every highlight reel goal, there are 4-5 failed dump ins and missed assignments.



Everyone has their guy, the guy they point to when things go wrong. For the guy behind me every game in 327, it's Campbell. For the guy next to me in that same section, its Seabrook. For me, it's Steeger.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

Maybe I'm harder on Versteeg than most. His hockey sense seems to be behind the rest of the team. Admittedly, I'm a hater and won't shed a tear if and when he gets traded. For every highlight reel goal, there are 4-5 failed dump ins and missed assignments.



Everyone has their guy, the guy they point to when things go wrong. For the guy behind me every game in 327, it's Campbell. For the guy next to me in that same section, its Seabrook. For me, it's Steeger.[/quote]



Everybody has (had) their guy. Luckily for me mine is long gone never to be seen again.

 

[roshinaya]

I don't have one player that I have under a microscope and love to sling poo on for every little mistake. Just don't see the point in that. A view it as a whole and everyone has good and bad days. It just the way it is. Tunnel vision just obstructs your view of the whole and you start seeing things that aren't there.



As for the upcoming Capocalypse, by all the comments by internet GMs the Hawks will be icing an AHL team and be out of playoff contention and need to trade away everyone for peanuts!! Everyone must go! Most of it is from jealous souls who just like to take shots at the champion, funnily enough most of them are from the teams that the Hawks eliminated. At the same time they'd love to be in a similar situation with their team being champs and need to shed salary. But they aren't, so suck on that! :dance:

 

[Tater]

[quote name="roshinaya"]I don't have one player that I have under a microscope and love to sling poo on for every little mistake. Just don't see the point in that. A view it as a whole and everyone has good and bad days. It just the way it is. Tunnel vision just obstructs your view of the whole and you start seeing things that aren't there.



As for the upcoming Capocalypse, by all the comments by internet GMs the Hawks will be icing an AHL team and be out of playoff contention and need to trade away everyone for peanuts!! Everyone must go! Most of it is from jealous souls who just like to take shots at the champion, funnily enough most of them are from the teams that the Hawks eliminated. At the same time they'd love to be in a similar situation with their team being champs and need to shed salary. But they aren't, so suck on that! :dance:[/quote]



I totally agree. Time to rebuild and start from scratch. It's the only option.