Patrick Kane And His Partying Ways Thread

[DewsSox79]

Detriot "will" improve.. And you "know" The: blues, preds, canucks, kings, and coyotes are also better off the top of your head.

That's far from comments of someone who would be a realistic or realistic in their focus. The Hawks are the main team being nitpicked because it's the team enjoyed and paid fully attention to by the folks here.

You can say the Hawks have goalie issues, no 2nd center, physicality troubles, and player so-n'-so may regress.. you can do the regress player fear for all of those teams, plus some are definitely losing key players and you can question if the fills will work. The anti whistle blower gimmick is laughable. Okay, you can give the other teams a better chance to fix their holes. Their staffs have the capability to fail as much as a lame Bowman.

your last paragraph tells you how good the hawks are. thats a lot of problems you listed there but you are still in denial.


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[ClydeLee]

Not denial.. I'm just aware that with those issues and MORE they were a playoff team the last two years... forgot how these issues will be worse with the extra year to try and gel some of those guys into actual NHL players.

No-one I've heard say for once that they will be a Stanley cup contender in 12-13

 

[Capt. Serious]

Wings almost have 27 mil in cap space while the Hawks don't even have 9.

 

[DewsSox79]

Not denial.. I'm just aware that with those issues and MORE they were a playoff team the last two years... forgot how these issues will be worse with the extra year to try and gel some of those guys into actual NHL players.

No-one I've heard say for once that they will be a Stanley cup contender in 12-13

fair enough.


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[Capt. Serious]

Lidstrom's retired fwiw.

I think the Red Wings are doing a lot of things right making the playoffs for 21 straight seasons.

They're not perfect by any means, I give them a better chance to fill their many weaknesses than the Blackhawks.

Way more cap space than the Hawks who wasted over 3 mil on Oduya.

 

[DewsSox79]

Way more cap space than the Hawks who wasted over 3 mil on Oduya.

i agree. the oduya signing kinda smells


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[DMelt36]

Man, you guys went 3 pages on arguing which teams are better than the Hawks when no one has a single **** about what the rosters will look like in a month or two? You guys need hobbies.

Seeing the money that Jackman and Stuart got today makes me feel a bit better about the money Oduya got. Contracts for average d-men are getting ridiculous.

 

[southern_cross_116]

So if you get 60 shots on goal, and your score just 2, and your opponent gets 12, and scores 3, were you really outplayed or did your defense have just a couple lapses is a long game/goalie sucked.

Obviously goals are what matter, but to act like the Hawks were not attacking and just going through the motions - "sleepwalking" - is ridiculous given the statlines.

However, you can have a good offensive game and the goalie is just unbeatable, stealing games... doesn't mean your entire team played like shit and didn't care or didn't put in enough effort being the reason you lost like the great and glorious nwfisch is implying.

Or did the team that get 60 take loads of point shots or low chance SOG? A stat line makes every SoG look like the goalie had to flop all over the place to make a save- - - just like every hit on a baseball statline can look like a screaming line drive.

...but I see the thread has progressed from this (what 10 more pages overnight my time???) Hard to believe.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I don't see a whole lot of awful contracts on the Wings compared to the Hawks.

Outside Franzen & Ericsson, they're in pretty good shape.

While the Hawks have pissed away money on the likes of Crawf, Frolik, Oduya, Montador.

 

[DMelt36]

I don't see a whole lot of awful contracts on the Wings compared to the Hawks.

Outside Franzen & Ericsson, they're in pretty good shape.

While the Hawks have pissed away money on the likes of Crawf, Frolik, Oduya, Montador.

When was the last time they won a Cup, again?

For all the Detroit love in this thread, they haven't done all that much in the last three seasons. Just sayin'

Assumed response: Neither have the Hawks.

A fair counter-point. But I don't see anyone here singing the praises of the Hawks front office.

 

[nwfisch]

When was the last time they won a Cup, again?

For all the Detroit love in this thread, they haven't done all that much in the last three seasons. Just sayin'

Assumed response: Neither have the Hawks.

A fair counter-point. But I don't see anyone here singing the praises of the Hawks front office.

21 seasons of success are greater than 4.

That's what I think the Blackhawks need to aim towards.

It's a great standard to meet, and despite my doubts with the front office, I think the talent (Toews, Keith, Kane, Seabrook, Sharp Bolland) can help keep the Blackhawks on the track to success despite inept management.

 

[LonghornBob]

I agree 100%. Tallon, for all his failings, put together enough talent that the current front office can continue to eff up for the next several years and we'll still be pretty damned good.

 

[DMelt36]

I agree 100%. Tallon, for all his failings, put together enough talent that the current front office can continue to eff up for the next several years and we'll still be pretty damned good.

Don't intend to jump all over you Bob, I just happened to see a story earlier today that talked about Dale Tallon's time in Chicago, and how there are some mighty rose-colored glasses being worn whenever his name is looked at.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/6/17/dale-tallon-things-get-worse-before-they-get-better

 

[Jntg4]

21 seasons of success are greater than 4.

That's what I think the Blackhawks need to aim towards.

It's a great standard to meet, and despite my doubts with the front office, I think the talent (Toews, Keith, Kane, Seabrook, Sharp Bolland) can help keep the Blackhawks on the track to success despite inept management.

The consecutive playoffs streak is relevant how to the coming season?

K, so we have the talent to keep us on track, yet you say that we have a pretty good chance of not even making the playoffs... Okay

 

[DMelt36]

Don't intend to jump all over you Bob, I just happened to see a story earlier today that talked about Dale Tallon's time in Chicago, and how there are some mighty rose-colored glasses being worn whenever his name is looked at.

Dale Tallon: Things get worse before they get better | OilersNation

Gonna add to this before what I intended to say gets misconstrued. I didn't intend to trash Tallon with these. What I meant to say is that he made a ton of mistakes in his first few years before he figured out exactly how to be a GM. And now that he's figured it out (apparently), he's doing a pretty good job, so far, in Florida.

The point is, Bowman entered this position without much experience. So to expect a flawless performance from him is probably unrealistic. Was it smart to hand the reins of a Cup-contending franchise to a guy with no experience?

That's the debate. And if Bowman doesn't pull off some good moves this offseason, that debate will continue to go in a direction unfavorable of Bowman.

 

[nwfisch]

The consecutive playoffs streak is relevant how to the coming season?

K, so we have the talent to keep us on track, yet you say that we have a pretty good chance of not even making the playoffs... Okay

Because the Red Wings have a damn good track record of building a competitive team for two decades.

I expect the talent to keep us on track, but I'm not going to excuse the Blackhawks either because they're my favorite team. I gave them a 25% chance right now for missing the playoffs. And I said now this is trivial to say before the free agency period and trades is silly.

 

[ClydeLee]

From the getgo of the Bowman era I thought it was clear the RedWing style system is what they were trying to build. The goal is to be a team that can be considered a contender year in and year out.

The reality is that doesn't happen over night. Even though for the Hawks, it practically happened over night and they won the cup; they still are away from getting to the point of being deep playoff teams each year.

That's why it looks like Bowman is sticking to his young talent because he wants those prospects to be the plugin and swaps around the prospects. It's taken a bit for them to get their guys up and running though because the cup team was basically all of the ready prospects up and they had to send them all calling.

 

[Diehardfan]

While being the prime builder of the Hawks rebirth, Tallon was not without warts. Most notably dealing with the cap and the almost odd inability to identify good goaltending.

 

[Capt. Serious]

While being the prime builder of the Hawks rebirth, Tallon was not without warts. Most notably dealing with the cap and the almost odd inability to identify good goaltending.

Tallon despite some of his shortcomings, is a hell of alot better GM than Blowman.

 

[DewsSox79]

Tallon despite some of his shortcomings, is a hell of alot better GM than Blowman.

he could have added a few more zeros to the contracts and he is still better than bowman.