Penei Sewell (OFISHAIL) LANCE STONE THREAD OF THE YEAR WINNER)

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Kevin White was never the topic. St. Brown is doing better than Perriman for sure but no not better than Mooney who has more yards and yards per catch. St Brown is a dink and dunk specialist at this point. The average depth of a pass to him is 6.7 yards and only 26% of his receptions are 10+ yards or more. By contrast the average depth of a pass to Mooney is 12.4 yards and 54% of passes to him are 10+ yards or more.
Blah blah blah, what is their respective catch rates? Is it Darnel "drops" Mooney?
Darnel also has more starts and more targets.
 

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Really.......you bring up a handful of players from 2017 through 2021. Let's dig a little deeper shall we.
2017 draft.
1 Davis....bust
2 Tabor....bust
3 Golladay.....two good seasons out of four. Not good enough for a second contract.
4 Reeves-Maybin....serviceable back up.
4 Roberts....can fourth round picks be considered a bust, if so bust.
5 Agnew...good return man, no longer a Lion.
6 Ledbetter....no longer in the league
6 Kaaua....see above.
7 O'Connor....see above.
2018 draft
1 Ragnow....hell of a football player.
2 Johnson....bust
3 Walker...average starter.
4 Hand...below average player. Cut in 2021.
5 Crosby....gone
7 Bawden....cut
2019 draft.
1 Hockenson....IR two of first three seasons. Bad luck or fragile?
2 Tavai.....bust
3 Harris....backup
4 Bryant....cut
5 Oruwariye.....fifth round find.
6 Folgham.....cut
6 Johnson....cut
7 Nauta.....cut
7 Johnson.... cut
2020 draft
1 Okudah....super bust
2 Swift...very good player, has missed some time with injuries.
3 Okwara....bust
3 Jackson....starter
4 Stenberg....bust
5 Huntly...cut
5 Cephus...below average backup.
6 Penisni.....in defensive line rotation.
7 Cornell....gone.
2021 draft
1 Sewell....after slow start has improved.
2 Onwuzurike.......backup
3 McNeill...backup
3 Melifonwu.....backup
4 ST Brown......coming on as of late
4 Barnes....has started four games his rookie season.
7 Jefferson...practice squad talent.
This draft is TBD. Unfair to count any rookies as a bust just yet.

From 2017 through 2020, I count four out thirty draft picks the Lions could actually build around. That's how you fuck up one draft after another.
This is a joke, LMAO at Golladay......not worth a second contract.....lol WTF?
Crosby is on IR fool
Davis still plays
Okwara IR
Okudah IR so far this is the only one I have concern about........
Hockenson IR yes, but broken finger, so what?
 

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Blah blah blah, what is their respective catch rates? Is it Darnel "drops" Mooney?
Darnel also has more starts and more targets.

Lol he catches a higher percent of passes because he averages 6.7 yards a pass. They are shorter and easier passes.

Mooney leads him in yards, YPR and air yards per reception. He has 98 targets compared to 87 for St Brown. St Brown has not even cracked 10 yards per reception yet. He is a dink and dunker.
 

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Lol he catches a higher percent of passes because he averages 6.7 yards a pass. They are shorter and easier passes.

Mooney leads him in yards, YPR and air yards per reception. He has 98 targets compared to 87 for St Brown. St Brown has not even cracked 10 yards per reception yet. He is a dink and dunker.

LMAO

Vs Atlanta
9 rec11 targets91 yds10.1 avg1 tds24 long
Vs Arizona
8 rec11 targets90 yds11.3 avg1 tds37 long


Open mouth, insert foot.
Research a little first.

Maybe if he dropped the ball more often he could be as good as Mooney.
 

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LMAO

Vs Atlanta
9 rec11 targets91 yds10.1 avg1 tds24 long
Vs Arizona
8 rec11 targets90 yds11.3 avg1 tds37 long


Open mouth, insert foot.
Research a little first.

Maybe if he dropped the ball more often he could be as good as Mooney.

Are you stupid? I was referring to the season. He is at 9.2 yards a reception on the season while Mooney is at 14.1.


 

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Are you stupid? I was referring to the season. He is at 9.2 yards a reception on the season while Mooney is at 14.1.


St Brown has not even cracked 10 yards per reception yet.

nice back peddle, of course not at all what you said.,
 

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St Brown has not even cracked 10 yards per reception yet.

nice back peddle, of course not at all what you said.,

Where above does it say in a single game?

Kevin White was never the topic. St. Brown is doing better than Perriman for sure but no not better than Mooney who has more yards and yards per catch. St Brown is a dink and dunk specialist at this point. The average depth of a pass to him is 6.7 yards and only 26% of his receptions are 10+ yards or more. By contrast the average depth of a pass to Mooney is 12.4 yards and 54% of passes to him are 10+ yards or more.

The whole time I was discussing their season stats. Only you cherry pick game stats.

Again Mooney has more yards, more yards per reception, more air yards per target and overwhelming catches passes further down the field.
 

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Where above does it say in a single game?



The whole time I was discussing their season stats. Only you cherry pick game stats.

Again Mooney has more yards, more yards per reception, more air yards per target and overwhelming catches passes further down the field.
How could you be discussing anything else, he hasn't even played a full season yet, dufus.
Want to compare him to Mooney's rookie Season?
Again, maybe if he dropped the ball more often......
 

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How could you be discussing anything else, he hasn't even played a full season yet, dufus.
Want to compare him to Mooney's rookie Season?
Again, maybe if he dropped the ball more often......

Are you stupid? I can quote season stats to date.

Kevin White was never the topic. St. Brown is doing better than Perriman for sure but no not better than Mooney who has more yards and yards per catch. St Brown is a dink and dunk specialist at this point. The average depth of a pass to him is 6.7 yards and only 26% of his receptions are 10+ yards or more. By contrast the average depth of a pass to Mooney is 12.4 yards and 54% of passes to him are 10+ yards or more.

The above are season stats to date. His 6.7 air yards per target is for the season. Likewise his 9.2 YPR is for the season. You cant be this dense.
 

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Are you stupid? I can quote season stats to date.



The above are season stats to date. His 6.7 air yards per target is for the season. Likewise his 9.2 YPR is for the season. You cant be this dense.
I can quote stats to date as well.

Darnel "drops" Mooney catch rate 59,0% 7.2 y/tgt
Amon St. Brown catch rate 74.7% 6.9 y/tgt

Mooney's air yds per target is far from impressive, if you would have bothered to check the stats, he has two outlier games (Against Detroit) then after that dink and dunk........



God only knows how many dropped pass's for touchdowns or drive killing 3rd down drops he has this year.
Sorry, I will take the guy that catch's the dam ball, everyday of the week.

You can't be this stupid........
 

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I can quote stats to date as well.

Darnel "drops" Mooney catch rate 59,0% 7.2 y/tgt
Amon St. Brown catch rate 74.7% 6.9 y/tgt

Mooney's air yds per target is far from impressive, if you would have bothered to check the stats, he has two outlier games (Against Detroit) then after that dink and dunk........



God only knows how many dropped pass's for touchdowns or drive killing 3rd down drops he has this year.
Sorry, I will take the guy that catch's the dam ball, everyday of the week.

You can't be this stupid........

Lol, now you want to cherry pick games to exclude and against your team no less. You are so full of shit. On one hand you are touting this new regime's efforts but then on the other hand you want to exclude Mooney roasting this regime's players.

2 of St Browns best games were against the Falcons and Vikings. The Falcons give up the same amount of passing yards per game as the Lions and the Vikings give up more. So if you remove those 2 games then guess what, Mooney still has more yards and St Bown is still below 10 yards a reception on the year.

All production counts. Only a flaming homer would try and remove production from one player and not the other.

The fact is Mooney has struggled with drops and yet still outproduced St Brown. If he did not struggle with drops he would be blowing St Brown out the water instead of merely just outproducing him by almost 200 yards.

If you had any sense, you would have argued that St Brown's rookie numbers have surpassed Mooney's rookie numbers which I would not argue. But you are a biased Lions homer so you had to take it too far by trying to argue St Brown has had a better year than Mooney this year when that obviously is not true.
 

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Lol, now you want to cherry pick games to exclude and against your team no less. You are so full of shit. On one hand you are touting this new regime's efforts but then on the other hand you want to exclude Mooney roasting this regime's players.

2 of St Browns best games were against the Falcons and Vikings. The Falcons give up the same amount of passing yards per game as the Lions and the Vikings give up more. So if you remove those 2 games then guess what, Mooney still has more yards and St Bown is still below 10 yards a reception on the year.

All production counts. Only a flaming homer would try and remove production from one player and not the other.

The fact is Mooney has struggled with drops and yet still outproduced St Brown. If he did not struggle with drops he would be blowing St Brown out the water instead of merely just outproducing him by almost 200 yards.

If you had any sense, you would have argued that St Brown's rookie numbers have surpassed Mooney's rookie numbers which I would not argue. But you are a biased Lions homer so you had to take it too far by trying to argue St Brown has had a better year than Mooney this year when that obviously is not true.
Except it obviously is true.

When you look at total stats, per nfl carreer, Mooney's yard per target stats compared to St.Brown are insignificant. You opened this can of worms yourself when you touted this:

St Brown has not even cracked 10 yards per reception yet.

When confronted with the actual context of your statement, you back pedaled saying that is not what you meant, that he had not average that per a season.

When i brought it to your attention that he had not even completed a season yet, you said it was perfectly fine to use his stats to date.

Well then spanky, that is what i am doing, using each players NFL stats to date.

Darnel "drops" Mooney catch rate 59,0% 7.2 y/tgt
Amon St. Brown catch rate 74.7% 6.9 y/tgt

Completely insignificant lead in yards per target, very significant lead by St. Brown in catch rate.

Now of course you will try to back pedal again, and claim only this season, while at the same time ignoring that Mooney has more games as well as more targets.

It has also been demonstrated Mooney is every bit as much as a dink/dunk WR as you claim St. Brown to be. That was the only reason for excluding those outlier games.

Now take your "L" and go home.

Oh, and btw, St. Brown does not benefit from the fact he is thought of like the WR2, as Mooney lines has Arob lining up on the other side of the ball, often drawing the opposing teams #1 corner.

Also, of note, St. Brown was a 4th round pick this year, making another's statement in this thread completely ignorant.
 

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How is that Lions finishing with a better record than the Bears prediction looking?
 

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Are you stupid? I was referring to the season. He is at 9.2 yards a reception on the season while Mooney is at 14.1.


I think this was always obvious. so I feel its a rhetorical question.
 

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How is that Lions finishing with a better record than the Bears prediction looking?
Look how active he’s been posting since the lions avoided 0-17 lol. Just an obvious troll he isn’t worth responding to
 

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Look how active he’s been posting since the lions avoided 0-17 lol. Just an obvious troll he isn’t worth responding to
he took a long break after the Bears beat them the first time. Very sad individual. Clearly has mental issues.
 

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This is a joke, LMAO at Golladay......not worth a second contract.....lol WTF?
Crosby is on IR fool
Davis still plays
Okwara IR
Okudah IR so far this is the only one I have concern about........
Hockenson IR yes, but broken finger, so what?
Who cares, Golladay was not worth a second contract to the Lions, if he was, he would still be on the Lions.
Davis was a first round bust of the Lions, who gives a fuck if he is still in the league. He was a huge FAIL by the Lions.
Crosby IR or not he has never been a starter or even a solid backup, another fail.
Okwara, high pick who in his first two seasons has 0 starts and done very little on the field. So far looks like another bust.
Okudah, super bust.
Hockenson, IR two of his first three years. A top 10 pick who can't seem to stay on the field for a full season.

What I said is still true no matter how you try to twist or turn it Lions drafts from 2017 through 2020 overall have been absolute shit.
 

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