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Who should they have signed this past off-season?
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They could have easily afforded to acquire Kinsler or Fielder via trade.
Sign Jacoby Ellsbury for 3 years. Try.
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
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You don't get it. They told you they were going to suck for 4 years. I hate tanking, and it was obvious that the only way to turn it around was to do a full tank. Those worst seasons brought high draft picks to rebuild the minors, just like they said they would do.
Where did the cubs fuckin lie to you? It's stupidty I tell you. The Cubs have had to fight their own City, the fuckin rooftop *******, and all you fuckin fans. They just started year 3 of the 4 year rebuild.
WHY THE **** CAN'T WE WAIT UNTIL THEY'VE COMPLETED WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO???
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And trade what exactly...?
I doubt 3 years got him out of what the Yankees gave him. Try? That isn't trying at all, that is throwing out stupid ideas that had no chance of becoming reality.
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Who would you have traded? A top prospect for Fielder or Kinsler? No thanks.
Ellsbury would have costed them a ton. the Yankees gave him a HUGE deal. If you acquire Ellsbury for that money or more, that doesn't give you much room in years to come. Plus you're counting on OF prospects to come up and be good. Not worth giving Ellsbury that contract.
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Exactly. People are stupid. Signing FA's is the LAST thing that the Cubs will do. Why would the Cubs sign guys during a rebuild? Why would good players want to come to the Cubs during the rebuild. Heck, Girardi didn't!
You can best believe that when the Cubs sign a couple big FA's, they will believe that they are ready to compete. Once the Cubs have built a young corps of their own players, they will add a top pitcher and maybe two, imo.
The Cubs will probably do the same thing this year. Look for them to trade their best performers right before the trade deadline again, and then tank the rest of the season for one more good draft pick. We will probably see some of the young guys come up at the 2nd half.
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I quite seriously doubt this. The tigers wanted a legit 2B so they could replace Infante. Darwin Barney is not that. What other than Shark would have the Rangers wanted for Kinsler?
I mean it really comes down to this. Can they spend money? Sure. But that only wins 5-10 wins to teams. They still have to draft well or FA mean nothing. Can you draft well while spending money? Perhaps. There's not a very big sample size under the new CBA. Cubs den had a look at top 100 prospects since the new CBA. I wish I could find the particular article because it was informative. But basically the gist of it was even a great drafting team like the cardinals haven't had top 100 prospects that were drafted after the new CBA and that most of the players who have risen to that level were from teams drafting high. I wont count out the ability for a team to do it because there are some really smart people out there. However, it should be orders of magnitude easier to do it from the top of the draft.
I can understand why people want FAs. But at the end of the day they make a bad team average. That's an important distinction because I did not say good. Let me throw out an example. Let's say they went wild and spent on Ellsbury and Choo. And let's say they meet the dodgers in the playoffs. You're talking about Shark, Wood and Jackson vs Kershaw, Grienke and I guess Beckett. Similarly, they are still a level above offensively. The dodgers should win that series 80% of the time. So what exactly did you accomplish by spending that money? Made the team slightly more watchable but you aren't giving fans what they truly want.
Personally, I'm fine with signing FA but they need to contribute to being a good team rather than just being a .500 team. That's why someone like Tanaka made sense. To further this, I think people are missing the aspect of prospects as trade chips. Most quality players never hit FA anymore. Some occasionally do come up for trade however. I'm hoping that is part of this front office's plan. If them not spending money on Ellsbury means they get a better prospect to trade for someone like Cargo then I'm fine with it.
But there in lies the issue that some rightfully have. They are more just cycling players right now rather than acquiring new talent at the major league level. I personally understand it because they haven't had the parts to go for it. But at some point they need to start to go for it. I'm hoping this year they can start to do that at the trade deadline rather than just an entire sell off.
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Well at least my ideas work at preventing 100 losses for the 2nd time in 3 seasons..................................
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So what would it have taken to get Fielder then?
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More than just one top prospect.
If you could have gotten him for one top prospect it would have been a steal.
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A package involving Soler, I'd do it. Detroit wanted a proven second baseman and I doubt they were interested in Barney. The Cubs aren't trading Baez, Almora or Bryant. So that idea goes out the window.
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Any one Cub prospect for Fielder would have been a steal.
But you said a top prospect for Fielder, no thanks.
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I'm not sure but I think he pulled Edwin Jackson out of there too.
Where Theo found Joel Pinero.
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Funny how you believe everything shoved down your throat when Theo says it will take "X" amount of years to rebuild, but you conveniently omit that he also stated that "elite" players said they would like to play for the Cubs NO MATTER the situation of the team. :clap:
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Where did Theo say it was going to take 4 years. I dont think they ever stated how many years. They rarely suggest they are rebuilding most of the time.
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Never heard that one either Silence.
And the Cubs are a far cry from competing next year too unless a major increase in spending is allowed to happen, which up until now hasn't.
But I am sure their will still be people thinking that once Baez and Bryant are up on the major league roster that free gents will simply flock to this once in a lifetime occurance and take a pay cut as if no other team in the history of baseball has had talent like that coming through the system. :shot: