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[patg006]

Came close in 2003, but Epstein isn't supposed to get credit for inheriting the 2004 team so Hendry not getting credit for 2003 is fair enough I suppose. IDK.

Anyone who says Hendry doesn't deserve any credit for 2003 clearly has no clue what they are talking about, which is why it has been said here repeatedly.

Hendry was the Assistant GM and Director of Player Personal starting in late 2001.

Prior to that he had been in the Cubs organization since 1995 working in scouting, drafting and minor league organizations.

So he had a hand in drafting and developing Corey Patterson, Carlos Zambrano, Mark Prior and Kerry Wood.

In the spring of 2002 he traded for Matt Clement.

Between the 2002 and 2003 season he somehow got the Dodgers to take Todd Hundley and got both Mark Grudzielanek AND Eric Karros, both starters and key contributors on the 2003 and hired Dusty Baker to be the manager after he took the Giants to Game 7 of the World Series. He also traded for Damian Miller the teams starting Catcher.

At the trading deadline he was able to trade for both Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez.

So for the team that took the field for the playoffs in 2003, Hendry had a hand in 5 of the 8 everyday position players and the teams top 4 starting pitchers.

Other than that, he didn't do much to help the team.

Epstein didn't even starting working in the Red Sox organization till after the 2002 season and was handed all the resources he needed.

 

[chibears55]

I'm honestly not sure what's going to be around next year. Hitting probably will be abysmal.

which may be a big reason why they focused and spent more on strengthening their system, because teams are now locking up their young talent pass prime FA years.. were going to be seeing the majority of the top FAs at the back end of their careers who are going to be more of a final piece of a playoff team , then someone you can build around.

 

[Bear Pride]

Also looks like this when finished. PATIENCE people....PATIENCE.

No shit, after a 100 years of losing, you'd think that people could wait until the end of a 4 year rebuild. We're just starting year 3, right?

 

[Capt. Serious]

Lets keep ignoring all the shit contracts the self proclaimed genius handed out.

 

[justaChifan]

Lets keep ignoring all the shit contracts the self proclaimed genius handed out.

Are you talking about Hendry??

Hendrys spending spree was mandated by the TRIB while they were in sell mode and the only viable product was the Cubs . T
he Cubs were making money for the failing TRIBUNE empire well after their media empire was crumbling.


Obviously he didn't get it done.

 

[Chris J]

And yet the same people think that all it will take for the Cubs to contend is 1 or 2 prospects. lol





And yet how many of these 'worst contracts in the history of baseball' have there been lately?

All the teenage girls cried that Prince Fielder, Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, Robinson Cano and now Miguel Cabrera were the worst contracts in the history of baseball.

Those were all in the last 3 years, so who really isn't understanding the MLB and the direction it is headed?

You do realize that teams will be getting more and more and more money which means it is easier and easier and easier for them to give out these 'worst contracts in the history of baseball' don't you?

By the time the year 2020 comes around, I doubt either Pujols or Cabrera will be in the top 10 of highest paid players.

Not me, so thats irrelevant statement.

And yea teams will have more money to throw around but it everyone is spending that money on their young guys that are 25 years old. They give them 6-7 year deals and then if someone wants to give them a mega deal when they are 31/32 so be it. It's not just the past three years, it has grown in the past 3 years. Zito is prime example.

Game is getting younger, fewer teams will want to spend huge money on 32 year players when they start to see it fails. Go ask baseball executives if im right

 

[nickofypres]

Are you talking about Hendry??

Hendrys spending spree was mandated by the TRIB while they were in sell mode and the only viable product was the Cubs . T
he Cubs were making money for the failing TRIBUNE empire well after their media empire was crumbling.


Obviously he didn't get it done.

I think he means the deals the Red Sox gave Crawford, Gonzales, etc.

 

[beckdawg]

Lets keep ignoring all the shit contracts the self proclaimed genius handed out.

When has Theo ever proclaimed himself a genius? The media and fans perhaps but I've never once read/seen where he said he was a genius.

 

[justaChifan]

I think he means the deals the Red Sox gave Crawford, Gonzales, etc.

Oops

 

[justaChifan]

When has Theo ever proclaimed himself a genius? The media and fans perhaps but I've never once read/seen where he said he was a genius.

It's called vanity

 

[ThaGator]

I don't know why people are getting so pissy. This is what a rebuild looks like. They never said they are never going to sign FAs. They're waiting until they have a core of their own guys good enough to have them knocking at the door, then they'll try to add bats/arms around that through FA and trade to hopefully put them over the top(depending on who's available). Why throw a bunch of money at players that most likely make your team an 80-85 game winner and nets you a shitty 1st round pick? It's not that hard.


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[nwfisch]

I don't know why people are getting so pissy.

3 of the worst seasons in Cubs history and you wonder why people are upset?

LOL

 

[diavolos]

I don't know why people are getting so pissy. This is what a rebuild looks like. They never said they are never going to sign FAs. They're waiting until they have a core of their own guys good enough to have them knocking at the door, then they'll try to add bats/arms around that through FA and trade to hopefully put them over the top(depending on who's available). Why throw a bunch of money at players that most likely make your team an 80-85 game winner and nets you a shitty 1st round pick? It's not that hard.


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it's upsetting to me because it's a loser mentality. just in the time i've been following the cubs (since 1977), do you know how many "rebuilds" we've gone through? and now, admitting that they're just not going to do anything, not even try to win, until some of these "prospects" come on board, which could be in a couple years, minimum, is highly highly insulting.

there is no reason to not use funds to buy some free agents. to put together a team that at least has a chance, while the "rebuilding" of the farm system is going along.

in the analyses i've seen, you can really only count on about 1/3 of all draft picks to even come up in the major leagues. and roughly half of those have a negative war. so the cubs are banking on something that has such a small chance to succeed. refusing to spend money in order to stock-pile "talent" when the chances of that talent even coming up into the majors is small, forget about whether that "talent" gives you a championship.

 

[chibears55]

it's upsetting to me because it's a loser mentality. just in the time i've been following the cubs (since 1977), do you know how many "rebuilds" we've gone through? and now, admitting that they're just not going to do anything, not even try to win, until some of these "prospects" come on board, which could be in a couple years, minimum, is highly highly insulting.

there is no reason to not use funds to buy some free agents. to put together a team that at least has a chance, while the "rebuilding" of the farm system is going along.

in the analyses i've seen, you can really only count on about 1/3 of all draft picks to even come up in the major leagues. and roughly half of those have a negative war. so the cubs are banking on something that has such a small chance to succeed. refusing to spend money in order to stock-pile "talent" when the chances of that talent even coming up into the majors is small, forget about whether that "talent" gives you a championship.

Youve been a fan for 37 yrs , they have made it to playoffs 6 times.. so the biggest difference from losing now and the other 31 years is their telling you .. that uosets you because youd rather they just suck without telling you they will..ok I get it.

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[diavolos]

no, i'd rather they tried to win a championship. you know, the whole point.

 

[chibears55]

no, i'd rather they tried to win a championship. you know, the whole point.

They really didn't "TRY" for most of all those other years with the teams they pieced together. .

Pretty funny how a couple here are all up in arms and Ricketts and epstein sucks and all that for losing the last 2 yrs of their regime, yet the cubs have been pretty much losers forever.

Just fail to see their rationalization in getting stupid over what been done the last 2 yrs when if their long time fans they've seen bad teams and losing for the better part of their fandom.

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[brett05]

Is trying and failing the same as not trying and failing?

 

[nwfisch]

Is trying and failing the same as not trying and failing?

No, but some people have tried to argue that $16M is more than $36M.

 

[chibears55]

Is trying and failing the same as not trying and failing?

Its actually worse to try and fail, kinda means you suck at your job
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[chibears55]

No, but some people have tried to argue that $16M is more than $36M.

Too had that not what was actually said..

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