Playoff Fighting?

[Chief Walking Stick]

I wish Sean Avery were on the Hawks right now. Need someone to go pound on Stamkos to get him off his game.

Toews would just be a waste because he'd lose so bad that he would give the other team momentum.

 

[ClydeLee]

[video=youtube;0PFfwra9nHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PFfwra9nHI[/video]

I think he went for a leg sweep at the end here

 

[DMelt36]

I wish Sean Avery were on the Hawks right now. Need someone to go pound on Stamkos to get him off his game.

Toews would just be a waste because he'd lose so bad that he would give the other team momentum.

Oh for ****'s sake the Sean Avery shit again?

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I wish Sean Avery were on the Hawks right now. Need someone to go pound on Stamkos to get him off his game.

Toews would just be a waste because he'd lose so bad that he would give the other team momentum.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I heard in 2009 that Kris Versteeg trains kickboxing in the offseason.... since then I have always wondered if he might attempt the first on-ice head kick KO.

Actually one of my favorite fights is Versteeg vs Eaves when he was on the wings. Look it up, great scrap.

Other two memorable fights are Seabrook vs Woywitka and Wisniewski vs Tootoo (the one where Wiz blew out his knee, lol).

 

[MaryChristine]

Then why when the games matter the most does it go away almost completely?

Shouldn't the Stanley Cup Finals be FULL of fights with guys trying to "change the game" for their team?


Sorry, you can't argue that fighting is important to the game of hockey when at the times when the games matter the most...fighting is virtually non-existent.

the rules have changed...instigator rule for instance... How many teams have goons who specifically go out there to demolish the opponent? It was their only skill so it didn't hurt as much when they got a penalty and you took out the opponents better player . I can and will argue that fights can be used as a tool to gain momentum... It is less important todays NHL and the playoffs, but if it gets you home ice advantage in regular season hockey. I won't be calling it Idiotic.
Its a tool that can be used as it needs to be, when it needs to be... and it's damn entertaining.

 

[MaryChristine]

Co-signed.

But when two players decide to drop the gloves because something happens in a game that spontaneously makes them decide to punch each other in the face? Don't mind those at all.

As it should be.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

the rules have changed...instigator rule for instance... How many teams have goons who specifically go out there to demolish the opponent? It was their only skill so it didn't hurt as much when they got a penalty and you took out the opponents better player . I can and will argue that fights can be used as a tool to gain momentum... It is less important todays NHL and the playoffs, but if it gets you home ice advantage in regular season hockey. I won't be calling it Idiotic.
Its a tool that can be used as it needs to be, when it needs to be... and it's damn entertaining.

How much momentum are we talking?
Glass?
Pitcher?
Enough to fill a keg?

[video=youtube;KoBXfD2oHRg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoBXfD2oHRg[/video]

How much momentum can one squeeze out of this one-sided tilt?

 

[DMelt36]

Actually one of my favorite fights is Versteeg vs Eaves when he was on the wings. Look it up, great scrap.

Other two memorable fights are Seabrook vs Woywitka and Wisniewski vs Tootoo (the one where Wiz blew out his knee, lol).

Blew out his knee and still beat the shit out of Tootoo, IIRC.

 

[FirstTimer]

the rules have changed...instigator rule for instance... How many teams have goons who specifically go out there to demolish the opponent? It was their only skill so it didn't hurt as much when they got a penalty and you took out the opponents better player . I can and will argue that fights can be used as a tool to gain momentum... It is less important todays NHL and the playoffs, but if it gets you home ice advantage in regular season hockey. I won't be calling it Idiotic.
Its a tool that can be used as it needs to be, when it needs to be... and it's damn entertaining.

This addresses none of these questions:

Then why when the games matter the most does it go away almost completely?

Shouldn't the Stanley Cup Finals be FULL of fights with guys trying to "change the game" for their team?


Sorry, you can't argue that fighting is important to the game of hockey when at the times when the games matter the most...fighting is virtually non-existent.

If fights are a tool to gain momentum why are the playoffs basically devoid of them?

 

[MaryChristine]

How much momentum are we talking?
Glass?
Pitcher?
Enough to fill a keg?

[video=youtube;KoBXfD2oHRg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoBXfD2oHRg[/video]

How much momentum can one squeeze out of this one-sided tilt?

do all fights have to be tilted? what point are you making?

 

[Sunbiz1]

I'm indifferent about fighting in the NHL.
If it goes away, fine.
I want the goons like Cooke out of the league that end careers of players 10x better than they are.

Fighting has always been the players means of controlling guys like Cooke, it's part of hockey.

You want the NHL to become soft...like the NFL?.

Hockey is all I have left, please leave the game as is.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

do all fights have to be tilted? what point are you making?

The point is that momentum is a figment of your imagination.

 

[MassHavoc]

Was headbutting a part of that training?

Thank god he was wearing a visor or he could have gotten seriously hurt.

 

[DMelt36]

Fighting has always been the players means of controlling guys like Cooke, it's part of hockey.

Brandon Bollig was right next to Raffi Torres on the ice when he nearly murdered Marian Hossa. Fighting doesn't control shit.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Fighting has always been the players means of controlling guys like Cooke, it's part of hockey.

You want the NHL to become soft...like the NFL?.

Hockey is all I have left, please leave the game as is.

The NHL doesn't need assbags like Cooke.
I don't care one way or another about fighting in the NHL. If it's removed, the league won't suddenly turn into figure skating. I don't think it will be removed completely, but the way teams are built in the post lockout era are not using pugilists much anymore.

Brandon Bollig was right next to Raffi Torres on the ice when he nearly murdered Marian Hossa. Fighting doesn't control shit.

Ding ding ding!

 

[FirstTimer]

The point is that momentum is a figment of your imagination.

This. The fighting in hockey momentum argument is a self fulfilling prophecy.

It's all outcome dependent. If a guy gets his ass kicked and his team wins then the team "rallied behind the guy who took one for team" if the team that won the fight wins the game then the team was inspired to victory by the fight. It's all bullshit.

Fighting serves zero purpose and if the momentum thing were true, then when momentum matters the most(Playoff time) we'd see tons of fights trying to "swing momentum" "change the game" etc....but....what do we see?


Virtually ZERO fighting.

There hasn't been a fight in a hockey game in a month. In the last month the most important games of the season have happened. Wouldn't you be wanting to swing momentum in these games?!

 

[FirstTimer]

The NHL doesn't need assbags like Cooke.
I don't care one way or another about fighting in the NHL. If it's removed, the league won't suddenly turn into figure skating. I don't think it will be removed completely, but the way teams are built in the post lockout era are not using pugilists much anymore.

As fighting has decreased in hockey ratings and attendance have gone up.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Brandon Bollig was right next to Raffi Torres on the ice when he nearly murdered Marian Hossa. Fighting doesn't control shit.

Wasn't necessary, Torres received a 25 game suspension during the playoffs.

 

[MaryChristine]

This addresses none of these questions:

Then why when the games matter the most does it go away almost completely?

Shouldn't the Stanley Cup Finals be FULL of fights with guys trying to "change the game" for their team?


Sorry, you can't argue that fighting is important to the game of hockey when at the times when the games matter the most...fighting is virtually non-existent.

If fights are a tool to gain momentum why are the playoffs basically devoid of them?

I explained why they are devoid. The rules have changed and its too much of a risk. I never said it's "important to the game of hockey". I said fights are not idiotic and they can change the game...I sure as hell did not say in the playoffs. in fact I said the opposite. But just because they should not be used in the playoffs doesn't make them useless. It can be used as a tool at the right time. Either you have reading comprehension problems or you are trying to look smart by putting words in my mouth! I'm gonna go with reading comprehension problems.