Playoff Fighting?

[BlackHawkPaul]

Wasn't necessary, Torres received a 25 game suspension during the playoffs.

That's not the point he was making.
It's not like a player in the heat of the moment viewing an illegal hit is going "Well, he's going to get 25 games, so I don't need to drop my mitts tonight."

 

[DMelt36]

Wasn't necessary, Torres received a 25 game suspension during the playoffs.

If a fight wasn't necessary there then when the **** is it ever necessary?

 

[FirstTimer]

Wasn't necessary, Torres received a 25 game suspension during the playoffs.

But no one knew that suspension was coming at the time Torres did that.

Your theory sucks.

 

[FirstTimer]

they can change the game...I sure as hell did not say in the playoffs. in fact I said the opposite.

So fighting can "change the game" yet when games are needed to be changed the most....there is ZERO FIGHTING. LOL.

Meatball shit is meatball.

Fighting is fucking stupid. Stop defending it.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

If it's one thing we can (hopefully) agree on is that the suspensions given out sometimes make me go, "Is that it?"

 

[Sunbiz1]

If a fight wasn't necessary there then when the **** is it ever necessary?

When refs or the league **** it up, players hold the grudge til' a non-playoff game the following season.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

So fighting can "change the game" yet when games are needed to be changed the most....there is ZERO FIGHTING. LOL.

Meatball shit is meatball.

Fighting is fucking stupid. Stop defending it.

Pretty much this.
I don't care if you want to get out of your seat to cheer for player A beating the shit out of player B.
Just don't try and get all Hawk Harrelson about it with the TWTW.

 

[ClydeLee]

Fighting has always been the players means of controlling guys like Cooke, it's part of hockey.

You want the NHL to become soft...like the NFL?.

Hockey is all I have left, please leave the game as is.

And it hasn't actually controlled anything of that sort at all. It was never some sort of player controll, and a guy like Matt Cooke on the roster didn't prevent

Incidences like this old legend happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bertuzzi–Steve_Moore_incident and the fighting involved never settled anything because the players still wanted pot shots to get revenge.

Or stories of Gordie Howe holding grudges on players for years for taking shots at him, only to get them back 2-3 seasons later with a chop shot happened and no fighting of the players saved or prevented that type of action. Yeah that's "refs fucking up the league" fucking it up since the ways things have worked since the 50s.

Or Even cases like this [video=youtube;Dsc41szSwLM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsc41szSwLM[/video] happened, which Roenick says nowadays and then he fully knew it was a hit in retaliation to dirty stuff Jeremy was doing before. That could of been settled with merely a fight though right? that policies the league? But no, it really doesn't and didn't even in the past. Guys being able to fight a guy in retaliation isn't really a legitimate concept. They took dirty shots then just like guys like Cooke do now and less fighting hasn't adjusted it.

 

[FirstTimer]

If it's one thing we can (hopefully) agree on is that the suspensions given out sometimes make me go, "Is that it?"

Yeah but the NHL is kind of stupid anyways. They claim to be taking head trauma seriously but still allow fighting to occur.

"Here at the NHL we take head trauma concerns very serious.....but we are still going to be pretty ok with two guys punching each other in the face and head while on skates on the ice"

 

[FirstTimer]

And it hasn't actually controlled anything of that sort at all. It was never some sort of player controll, and a guy like Matt Cooke on the roster didn't prevent

Incidences like this old legend happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bertuzzi–Steve_Moore_incident and the fighting involved never settled anything because the players still wanted pot shots to get revenge.

Or stories of Gordie Howe holding grudges on players for years for taking shots at him, only to get them back 2-3 seasons later with a chop shot happened and no fighting of the players saved or prevented that type of action. Yeah that's "refs fucking up the league" fucking it up since the ways things have worked since the 50s.

Or Even cases like this [video=youtube;Dsc41szSwLM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsc41szSwLM[/video] happened, which Roenick says nowadays and then he fully knew it was a hit in retaliation to dirty stuff Jeremy was doing before. That could of been settled with merely a fight though right? that policies the league? But no, it really doesn't and didn't even in the past. Guys being able to fight a guy in retaliation isn't really a legitimate concept. They took dirty shots then just like guys like Cooke do now and less fighting hasn't adjusted it.

Exactly. If fighting was "controlling" anything it was doing a really shitty job at it given the amount of violence the sport still had.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Yeah but the NHL is kind of stupid anyways. They claim to be taking head trauma seriously but still allow fighting to occur.

"Here at the NHL we take head trauma concerns very serious.....but we are still going to be pretty ok with two guys punching each other in the face and head while on skates on the ice"

I agree.
And they keep getting my damned money.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

And it hasn't actually controlled anything of that sort at all. It was never some sort of player controll, and a guy like Matt Cooke on the roster didn't prevent

Incidences like this old legend happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bertuzzi–Steve_Moore_incident and the fighting involved never settled anything because the players still wanted pot shots to get revenge.

Or stories of Gordie Howe holding grudges on players for years for taking shots at him, only to get them back 2-3 seasons later with a chop shot happened and no fighting of the players saved or prevented that type of action. Yeah that's "refs fucking up the league" fucking it up since the ways things have worked since the 50s.

Or Even cases like this [video=youtube;Dsc41szSwLM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsc41szSwLM[/video] happened, which Roenick says nowadays and then he fully knew it was a hit in retaliation to dirty stuff Jeremy was doing before. That could of been settled with merely a fight though right? that policies the league? But no, it really doesn't and didn't even in the past. Guys being able to fight a guy in retaliation isn't really a legitimate concept. They took dirty shots then just like guys like Cooke do now and less fighting hasn't adjusted it.

I was watching that game and that hit happened.
Holy ****, I didn't realize how bad JR was until he opened his mouth, which was on the back of his neck.

 

[DMelt36]

Yeah but the NHL is kind of stupid anyways. They claim to be taking head trauma seriously but still allow fighting to occur.

"Here at the NHL we take head trauma concerns very serious.....but we are still going to be pretty ok with two guys punching each other in the face and head while on skates on the ice"

Ain't a league in the world taking head trauma seriously.

 

[DMelt36]

And it hasn't actually controlled anything of that sort at all. It was never some sort of player controll, and a guy like Matt Cooke on the roster didn't prevent

Incidences like this old legend happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bertuzzi–Steve_Moore_incident and the fighting involved never settled anything because the players still wanted pot shots to get revenge.

I think that Steve Moore incident was actually the beginning of the end of the "old school" mentality in hockey. That entire saga was all about revenge for cheap shots on star players, and Bertuzzi went way, way, waaaaaaaaaaay too far in his retaliation. I think that was very close (and maybe even the reason) for the creation of the fight instigator penalty, and hockey fights have been an endangered species ever since.

 

[DMelt36]

I agree.
And they keep getting my damned money.

Eh, no matter how you spend your money, there's a good chance it's going to some one or some thing that you're going to hate. Wouldn't get too worked up about that.

 

[MaryChristine]

So fighting can "change the game" yet when games are needed to be changed the most....there is ZERO FIGHTING. LOL.

Meatball shit is meatball.

Fighting is fucking stupid. Stop defending it.

Can't use fighting the way we used to but I still love it and as long as the rules allow it to be effective at some point then, I will always be for it. I love fighting in hockey... <3

 

[HeHateMe]

So fighting can "change the game" yet when games are needed to be changed the most....there is ZERO FIGHTING. LOL.

Meatball shit is meatball.

Fighting is fucking stupid. Stop defending it.

STFU. Fighting in Hockey is fun to watch. Just because you aren't entertained doesn't mean it's stupid. It means you don't like it.

It's just like art, or music. You might have one aesthetic view, maybe you think "rap" is stupid and maybe you even claim it's not music. Guess what? Nobody that enjoys it or appreciates it for its artistic merits gives a **** about what you think.

 

[Ton]

STFU. Fighting in Hockey is fun to watch. Just because you aren't entertained doesn't mean it's stupid. It means you don't like it.

It's just like art, or music. You might have one aesthetic view, maybe you think "rap" is stupid and maybe you even claim it's not music. Guess what? Nobody that enjoys it or appreciates it for its artistic merits gives a **** about what you think.

U mad bro?

I don't mind a good scrap. I think 90% of the time, no momentum is gained or lost by fighting, at least for the Hawks. Anyone really think that anyone on the Hawks gave a shit whether John Scott beat the crap out of [insert name here] a couple years ago?

I think the Hawks have proved that staying level-headed beats out the teams that get jacked up on fighting/goonery. If anything, refusing to fight probably pisses those teams off even more, lol.

Other team: "Da FUQ?! U WANN GO?! IM GON PUNCH U FACE! "

Hawks: "Nah"

Next shift they score, look over at the opposing bench and go:

 

[TCD]

Love hockey fighting and nobody can tell me not to enjoy it. Could give two shits about the debate on if it serves a purpose or not i still love it. Never going to take it out of the league completely yet it will never be the same as it used to be but thats okay. The organic fights have always been the best and rules cant make the organic go away. Cant take competition out of sport and true competition creates organic emotions and spazz outs which is amazing!!

There were fights these playoffs esp in the first round when guys are a little bit more healthy overall. Dont see it more in the later rounds because playoff hockey becomes a mental game as much as a physical one and most guys come the cup final are mentally locked in to the system and game plans and already physically beat. Completely different when you are talking about game 26 of the regular season where things are looser on the ice and systems are less structured.

 

[HeHateMe]

Love hockey fighting and nobody can tell me not to enjoy it. Could give two shits about the debate on if it serves a purpose or not i still love it. Never going to take it out of the league completely yet it will never be the same as it used to be but thats okay. The organic fights have always been the best and rules cant make the organic go away. Cant take competition out of sport and true competition creates organic emotions and spazz outs which is amazing!!

There were fights these playoffs esp in the first round when guys are a little bit more healthy overall. Dont see it more in the later rounds because playoff hockey becomes a mental game as much as a physical one and most guys come the cup final are mentally locked in to the system and game plans and already physically beat. Completely different when you are talking about game 26 of the regular season where things are looser on the ice and systems are less structured.

If I wasn't already internet engaged to MaryChristine, I'd ask for your hand in *** internet marriage TCD.