Playoff predictions

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houheffna wrote:



You should be receiving that letter sent to Captain Spreadsheet, banning you from analyzing basketball until you get a damn television...Kobe was an MVP candidate this year. Even with his injuries he was one of the best, Wade did not have a better year than Kobe Bryant.

Goodness man, what are you people watching, you should stick to the Bulls because you all are certainly not NBA fans...[/quote]

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You look at his last three games to decide if he is an mvp caliber player? And who said he was the mvp? What the hell are you talking about? What the hell are you EVER talking about?[/quote]



i guess you dont read the crap that you write either.

anyways let me break down the conversation in laymen's terms. you suggested he was in the convo for mvp, as a result, your implying that he could be the mvp. Therefore you brought up the conversation. My response was , "you're an idiot. "

still is.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

I'd say they were about equal this year but he was better last year. Are you telling me if Wade was on the lakers and Kobe was on the heat that either teams record would change noticeably?

Don't know how noticeable it would be but I believe the Heat would have been better because Kobe is a better offensive player. I don't believe the Lakers would be as dominant with Wade as they are with Kobe...no.

If it isn't noticeable, then you can have them in the same discussion. Last year, Wade was playing better and to me was the better player. This year, its about equal. But either way, the lakers are still title contenders with the best record in the west and the heat are still out in the first round.

 

[houheffna]

BTW Hou, did you see Bill Simmons' last column? Add him to your insane list, because he didn't have Kobe top 5 in the MVP race.

If you ask Simmons who the type 5 players are in the league, I can almost guarantee you he will say Kobe. I can alson guarantee you he wouldn't say something as insane as Duncan is better than Kobe.

Injuries and other factors decide who the MVP is, it doesn't mean the person is a better player, it means the person had a better year.

If it isn't noticeable, then you can have them in the same discussion. Last year, Wade was playing better and to me was the better player. This year, its about equal. But either way, the lakers are still title contenders with the best record in the west and the heat are still out in the first round.

Kobe is a better basketball player to me. Period.

 

[TheStig]

Hou, I still think he is a very good basketball player and a superstar but I think he is starting to lose that top 5 status and be in the 5-10 spot. If they hadn't been gifted Pau, I doubt they win the championship.

 

[houheffna]

Hou, I still think he is a very good basketball player and a superstar but I think he is starting to lose that top 5 status and be in the 5-10 spot. If they hadn't been gifted Pau, I doubt they win the championship.

Yeah, he is starting to lose it, however, he is still number 2. Jordan was starting to lose his status as the number 1 guy in 1997, 1998...he was still the top dog. Kobe is a better player right now than anyone not named Lebron James and there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period. Phil Jackson this season, not last year, not three years ago, this year, compared Kobe to Jordan regarding Kobe's clutch abilities.

So he can't win a title alone...who can? Bringing up Pau means nothing. Pau wins nothing without Kobe. Same argument with Jordan and Scottie. Doesn't take away from Jordan's greatness.

 

[Shakes]

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

I think what Hou is referring to is actual game winning shots. But I can see your point in terms of stats...though Hou will condemn us all for using stats as an argument.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

Stats! Stats! How can you use stats to describe a basketball game. Careful or you'll join my stat sheet team!

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

James killed Kobe in almost ever major statistical category in the clutch. But then again those are just stats and in the end only TV can tell us who was better.

 

[clonetrooper264]

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

Stats! Stats! How can you use stats to describe a basketball game. Careful or you'll join my stat sheet team!

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

James killed Kobe in almost ever major statistical category in the clutch. But then again those are just stats and in the end only TV can tell us who was better.

James spent a lot more time in the clutch than Kobe did according to those stats. I'd hope his numbers would be better...

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

Stats! Stats! How can you use stats to describe a basketball game. Careful or you'll join my stat sheet team!

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

James killed Kobe in almost ever major statistical category in the clutch. But then again those are just stats and in the end only TV can tell us who was better.

James spent a lot more time in the clutch than Kobe did according to those stats. I'd hope his numbers would be better...

Those numbers are already per 48 adjusted so it takes that into account Not to mention the time difference is less than 10%, so I wouldn't call it alot.

 

[clonetrooper264]

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

Stats! Stats! How can you use stats to describe a basketball game. Careful or you'll join my stat sheet team!

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

James killed Kobe in almost ever major statistical category in the clutch. But then again those are just stats and in the end only TV can tell us who was better.

James spent a lot more time in the clutch than Kobe did according to those stats. I'd hope his numbers would be better...

Those numbers are already per 48 adjusted so it takes that into account Not to mention the time difference is less than 10%, so I wouldn't call it alot.

I was referring to the games, but your point is still valid.

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

houheffna wrote:

there is NO ONE better in the clutch...period.

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

Stats! Stats! How can you use stats to describe a basketball game. Careful or you'll join my stat sheet team!

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

James killed Kobe in almost ever major statistical category in the clutch. But then again those are just stats and in the end only TV can tell us who was better.

James spent a lot more time in the clutch than Kobe did according to those stats. I'd hope his numbers would be better...

Those numbers are already per 48 adjusted so it takes that into account Not to mention the time difference is less than 10%, so I wouldn't call it alot.

I was referring to the games, but your point is still valid.

Oh I see what your saying. Its amazing that he played so many minutes and only had a +7.

 

[houheffna]

LeBron scores more in the 4th. The Mavs win a lot more close games than they should. I can see an argument for LeBron or Dirk being the best clutch player, but Kobe? The Lakers actually lose slightly more close games than they should given their record.

I know, I know, caring about statistics like wins and points is stupid when I should just watch games to appreciate the greatness that is Kobe.

You don't appreciate Kobe's game...because he is a "rapist"...which is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life...

Dirk is notorious for choking...he is one of my favorite players, but I don't care what the stats say, he is shaky when its time to take those shots.

The same website says that Ricky Davis is more accurate when taking game winning shots over his career than Kobe, Wade or Lebron...if Davis is on the floor with any of those 3, who would you rather take the shot?

 

[Shakes]

Are we talking Ricky Davis who isn't even in the league right now, or Ricky Davis in his prime? If he's in his prime I'd be happy for him to take the shot, with the defensive attention on LeBron/Kobe/Wade he'd probably have a wide open one.

 

[houheffna]

Are we talking Ricky Davis who isn't even in the league right now, or Ricky Davis in his prime? If he's in his prime I'd be happy for him to take the shot, with the defensive attention on LeBron/Kobe/Wade he'd probably have a wide open one.

Ricky Davis would be a plan b...no one would look Lebron, Wade or Kobe in the face and say, "Davis gets the last shot"...not at all...in his prime or any other time...

 

[Shakes]

Nobody would let Pax or Kerr take the last shot when MJ is on the team. I mean who would do something crazy like that?

 

[Shakes]

And as far as Dirk being not clutch, he has a reputation as a choker because the 67 win Mavs got beaten in the first round. I don't see what that has to do with being clutch though, considering only 1 of the 6 games was a close one. The Mavs didn't lose the series by not being clutch.

 

[houheffna]

So who would you rather take the last shot? Jordan or Kerr or Paxson?

 

[Shakes]

In general I'd prefer Jordan because he's a better player. But if Kerr or Paxson's man has tried to double Jordan then you have to give it to Kerr or Paxson. Which is my point about Ricky Davis: if he's on a team with Wade, LeBron & Kobe then he'll be getting almost zero defensive attention, if you can get the ball to him he's likely to have a very good shot.

 

[houheffna]

In general I'd prefer Jordan because he's a better player. But if Kerr or Paxson's man has tried to double Jordan then you have to give it to Kerr or Paxson. Which is my point about Ricky Davis: if he's on a team with Wade, LeBron & Kobe then he'll be getting almost zero defensive attention, if you can get the ball to him he's likely to have a very good shot.

You give it to Jordan because he is the better clutch player...not just because he is the best player.

Why else would Phil have Pippen inbound the ball to Kukoc and Kukoc take the last shot? Pippen was easily the better player of the two...