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I like Jermaine O'Neal shooting 6/34 so far. Good to see he hasn't forgotten how to under perform in the playoffs.
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I hate to break it to you but a lot of teams have money. And those that don't can offer better assests and pay more than we can straight up. Its not like we are the only team with money. You don't need cap space to be a player.
I hate to break it to you but a lot of teams have money. And those that don't can offer better assests and pay more than we can straight up. Its not like we are the only team with money. You don't need cap space to be a player.
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Neither do you need the playoffs. I still don't understand how getting to the playoffs and getting utterly dominated by a far superior team is good for business when it comes to free agents. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. Unless you can prove to me that FAs have said such a thing, I don't believe it to be true.
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I'll make it simple. You have guys who publicly said they wanted to win. Why would you assume they go to a non playoff team then? If what you say is true, there should be lines in NY and NJ. Especially considering a guy like Bosh was frustrated by not getting into the playoffs and Wade looks pissed he is getting knocked out in the first round again. Why wouldn't they go to a proven product? Or at least favor it? I'm not saying it is the only consideration but ever little bit helps. To the contrary, do you think missing the playoffs would make us more attractive to fas?
I'll make it simple. You have guys who publicly said they wanted to win. Why would you assume they go to a non playoff team then? If what you say is true, there should be lines in NY and NJ. Especially considering a guy like Bosh was frustrated by not getting into the playoffs and Wade looks pissed he is getting knocked out in the first round again. Why wouldn't they go to a proven product? Or at least favor it? I'm not saying it is the only consideration but ever little bit helps. To the contrary, do you think missing the playoffs would make us more attractive to fas?
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Bosh is the REASON the Raptors are not in the playoffs so why would he care? My problem with your theory is you seem to think Bosh and Wade are stupid. Wrong! They are business men first, and this is strictly business. So according to you, New York is not a player this summer? Says who? Its friggin' New York!
No missing the playoffs does not make the team more attractive to FAs, but only because the playoffs don't matter in the grand scheme of things. If it did matter, they would all be at the door of the Oklahoma Thunder...believe that...that is the team to watch for in the near future among teams with cap space.
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Two names: Tracy McGrady & Grant Hill. 2 of the top 3 FA's in 2000 signed with Orlando, a team that MISSED THE PLAYOFFS the previous season.
I rest my case.
Two names: Tracy McGrady & Grant Hill. 2 of the top 3 FA's in 2000 signed with Orlando, a team that MISSED THE PLAYOFFS the previous season.
I rest my case.
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Yeah two max fas, last time I checked we couldn't do that. We don't have that option and if they want to team up, it can't happen here.
Yeah two max fas, last time I checked we couldn't do that. We don't have that option and if they want to team up, it can't happen here.
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Bosh is the reason they were better than NJ. Without them, they have a hard time staying against the nets. I don't see how a player getting injured and missing 12 games can cost them the playoffs. Sorry, I spaced and didn't mean to add NY. I just meant NJ, though I think they either hit it big with two guys(top 4) or they struggle and over pay the lees, boozers and jjs. If you think business is gonna keep from ending up where they want your wrong. They can still get their 6yr maxs with a s&t and no team is gonna want to lose them for nothing.
When you can't sign two maxs guys, playoffs are a must. Why come here when you can team up in Ny or Miami, if we aren't even a playoff team in the weak east. I just couldn't see it, I think it would have eliminated us from the big 3. I also thought I read that the thunder weren't looking to use their cap space this summer, so I wouldn't expect a big splash from them anyway.
Bosh is the reason they were better than NJ. Without them, they have a hard time staying against the nets. I don't see how a player getting injured and missing 12 games can cost them the playoffs. Sorry, I spaced and didn't mean to add NY. I just meant NJ, though I think they either hit it big with two guys(top 4) or they struggle and over pay the lees, boozers and jjs. If you think business is gonna keep from ending up where they want your wrong. They can still get their 6yr maxs with a s&t and no team is gonna want to lose them for nothing.
When you can't sign two maxs guys, playoffs are a must. Why come here when you can team up in Ny or Miami, if we aren't even a playoff team in the weak east. I just couldn't see it, I think it would have eliminated us from the big 3. I also thought I read that the thunder weren't looking to use their cap space this summer, so I wouldn't expect a big splash from them anyway.
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Boy did you ever miss the point on that one.
Boy did you ever miss the point on that one.
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Its a whole different ball game. They got two guys. We don't have a chance at that, therefore we have to sell what we have already much harder. If what we have can't make the playoffs, why come here?
Its a whole different ball game. They got two guys. We don't have a chance at that, therefore we have to sell what we have already much harder. If what we have can't make the playoffs, why come here?
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If "stars like to play with stars" like you initially said, though you change your arguments with the weather...why would Bosh give a damn about the playoffs? Rose is already a star...you think Bosh would look at Miami and say...don't want to play with Dwyane, because the Heat missed the playoffs? I don't think so...its either one or the other...
You are accusing those FA's of stupidity. Potential is what does players would value over whether a team makes the playoffs. If OKC didn't make the playoffs, would they be a less desirable destination? I don't think so...Durant is still Durant...
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I hear the weather is good in Spain, and the NBA wants to start a euro team. 
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houheffna wrote:
Different teams have different advanatages and selling angles. I was speaking about the bulls only when I made that first statement. If you had read my previous statement you would understand what I was trying to say. Rose is not a star on the same level as Bron, Bosh and Wade, those guys can go team up in a number of locations, none of them being here.
Right, the potential is greater elsewhere. Look at NY, they can team up there and then get another above average player the next year or team up in NJ with an established PG and C. We don't offer the most potential. If you add Bron and Bosh to Harris and Lopez, they have a lot more potential then Rose, Deng, Noah and Bosh. My point is you keep saying how we have some sort of distinct competive advantage that we don't have. If we don't have a competive advantage and miss the playoffs, I don't think anyone looks at us seriously. Now we are an up and coming team that on its own can make the playoffs. Thats something. We might be very advantagous overall but in every single aspect, there is a team that can offer something more, hopefully our collective product can sell us.
Different teams have different advanatages and selling angles. I was speaking about the bulls only when I made that first statement. If you had read my previous statement you would understand what I was trying to say. Rose is not a star on the same level as Bron, Bosh and Wade, those guys can go team up in a number of locations, none of them being here.
Right, the potential is greater elsewhere. Look at NY, they can team up there and then get another above average player the next year or team up in NJ with an established PG and C. We don't offer the most potential. If you add Bron and Bosh to Harris and Lopez, they have a lot more potential then Rose, Deng, Noah and Bosh. My point is you keep saying how we have some sort of distinct competive advantage that we don't have. If we don't have a competive advantage and miss the playoffs, I don't think anyone looks at us seriously. Now we are an up and coming team that on its own can make the playoffs. Thats something. We might be very advantagous overall but in every single aspect, there is a team that can offer something more, hopefully our collective product can sell us.
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Its hypocritical of you to accentuate the importance of the playoffs but then speak of how NJ is a worthy destination, even more so than Chicago, based on the potential of Devin Harris and Brook Lopez. If that is the case, why would a Bosh go to NJ ahead of Chicago, if Lebron and Wade stay where they are? At this point, Rose and Noah could be more of an attraction to free agents than Harris and Lopez...
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Wow how about the Bucks, came back from 9 down in the last to win the game in Atlanta. Skiles was absolutely robbed of coach of the year.
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Shakes wrote:
So true. I like what Scottie Brooks has done in OKC but everyone expected them to be good this year. Plus he has great assistants, the top scorer in the league, & a young, talented, athletic roster. Skiles should've won the award just based on the fact that he made Stackhouse a solid player again.
So true. I like what Scottie Brooks has done in OKC but everyone expected them to be good this year. Plus he has great assistants, the top scorer in the league, & a young, talented, athletic roster. Skiles should've won the award just based on the fact that he made Stackhouse a solid player again.
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houheffna wrote:
Well ofcourse no one goes to NJ if they can only get one guy. Exactly as you said, if you can only add bosh, then he is going to come here because we are the better team. But if they grab bosh and JJ then suddenly they are better. The teams that can offer two max deals are only better if they can get two commitments. If not they are worse. I think its much more complicated then you make it out to be.
Well ofcourse no one goes to NJ if they can only get one guy. Exactly as you said, if you can only add bosh, then he is going to come here because we are the better team. But if they grab bosh and JJ then suddenly they are better. The teams that can offer two max deals are only better if they can get two commitments. If not they are worse. I think its much more complicated then you make it out to be.
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Wow mavs only got 8 points in the first and are now down 21. thats hard to believe how badly they started in an elimination game.
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