Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

[FirstTimer]

I like how 50% of Nelson's highlights are pulling and mauling LB's or his best highlight is sprinting across theline to pick up a blitzing safety but according to some here Nelson has "trouble moving" and "can't pull".

Nelson is an absolute monster. He's the best OL in this class. If the Bears pick him they are getting a Top 5 player at his position for 10 years. He's that good. He's that much of a sure thing.

FWIW, I would in no way draft McGlinchey in the first. He's not a LT at the NFL level and while he is an A+ human being he reminds me a little bit too much of Robert Gallery in terms of how I view him as a pro at the tackle position if you ask him to be a guy in a pass blocking first situation. If you can get him to a team that is more interested in mauling people in the run game he'd be worth a mid to late 1st rounder as a RT.

That being said, I'd still rather have Ridley from Alabama.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Hall of fame potential....wow. That's a lot to say about a college guard but i don't think anyone on here don't think he's gonna be great and is the safest pick in this draft. The question is more about drafting a guard at #8 when you already have two starting guards and a couple of guys who could start at guard if one of the two got hurt already on the roster, especially when we have much bigger needs at more then one other position and when there will be some great talent sitting there at those needed positions. Nelson will be a great one and can't say i'd be angry with the pick but no way am i drafting a guard at 8.

Sorry, no. You're counting on having two starting guards one of which may be gone and the other who is recovering from 3 surgeries and is beginning to get up there in age. That is ridiculous. Furthermore you don't realize that last year he was the only guard PFF rated as being round 1 worthy and his pass protection even improved from that year. The fact is that Nelson is quite possibly the highest rated offensive lineman again for this draft. You're nuts if you think he doesn't provide value at the #8 pick and even more so for the Bears.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I like how 50% of Nelson's highlights are pulling and mauling LB's or his best highlight is sprinting across theline to pick up a blitzing safety but according to some here Nelson has "trouble moving" and "can't pull".

Nelson is an absolute monster. He's the best OL in this class. If the Bears pick him they are getting a Top 5 player at his position for 10 years. He's that good. He's that much of a sure thing.

FWIW, I would in no way draft McGlinchey in the first. He's not a LT at the NFL level and while he is an A+ human being he reminds me a little bit too much of Robert Gallery in terms of how I view him as a pro at the tackle position if you ask him to be a guy in a pass blocking first situation. If you can get him to a team that is more interested in mauling people in the run game he'd be worth a mid to late 1st rounder as a RT.

That being said, I'd still rather have Ridley from Alabama.

You would still rather have Ridley over Nelson? Or you would still rather have Ridley over McGlinchey in the mid to late 1st?

 

[Colonel_Buendia]

NFL draft: Chance Warmack could be best guard prospect since 1973
Mike Mayock of NFL Network says Warmack, 6-foot-2, 317 pounds, is the best player in the draft, period -- not just the best guard or even the best offensive lineman -- the best player. Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly says Warmack is one of the best guards to enter the NFL since 1973, when the Patriots drafted John Hannah, who in 1991 was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame six years after retiring.
"Warmack is capable of dominating in the run game and fortifying the pocket in pass protection," Nawrocki wrote. "He is a physical, difference-making power blocker. An intimidating heavyweight with power, strength and explosion to become a perennial Pro Bowl performer."


Considered by many to be one of the best all-around players in this draft class, Warmack should enjoy a long and productive NFL career

Breaking Down What Makes Chance Warmack the Best Offensive Guard in Years
At this point in the draft process, it sounds cliché to call Chance Warmack the best offensive guard the NFL has seen come through the college ranks in years but it's true: He really is that good.
The closest there's recently been to the Alabama guard is David DeCastro, who was selected No. 24 overall last year by the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he's not as strong as Warmack. Some feel there hasn't been a prospect at the position like Warmack in more 20 years, as respected draft analyst Tony Pauline noted (via SI.com).
Pauline: "Warmack approaches April as the most dominant guard in the draft since Steve Everitt, who was selected with the 14th pick in 1993. Warmack is big, strong and controls everything he gets his hands on. He's effective at the line of scrimmage or at the second level blocking in motion. Warmack will be an early first-round choice if no medical red flags are raised at the combine. 1st Round"

Warmack is not just one of the best prospects at his position, but one of the best overall heading into April.
Bottom line: He is unquestionably the most pro-ready prospect in the BCS Championship Game.

Do whatever it takes to get CHANCE WARMACK!!
Who's the "Player Who Can Wontribute the Most Immediately"?
I Had A Dream We Drafted Warmack
New mock draft has us getting WARMACK to good to be true?

 

[fatbeard]

Hall of fame potential....wow. That's a lot to say about a college guard but i don't think anyone on here don't think he's gonna be great and is the safest pick in this draft. The question is more about drafting a guard at #8 when you already have two starting guards and a couple of guys who could start at guard if one of the two got hurt already on the roster, especially when we have much bigger needs at more then one other position and when there will be some great talent sitting there at those needed positions. Nelson will be a great one and can't say i'd be angry with the pick but no way am i drafting a guard at 8.

I really don't understand axioms like "You can't take a OG that high!" It was en vogue for half a decade to say the same thing about RBs, until people realized that the real problem wasn't "taking RBs that high," but that people were taking the wrong RBs that high because they were overvaluing the position in general (Brown/Benson/Williams draft comes to mind). But, if you're getting a true perennial-Pro Bown/All Pro guy, like Peterson, Elliot, etc., no one cares. Same thing with OGs. No one in DC regrets taking Brandon Scherff at #5. If Nelson is that good, then he's worthy of the pick.

 

[bamainatlanta]

NFL draft: Chance Warmack could be best guard prospect since 1973
Mike Mayock of NFL Network says Warmack, 6-foot-2, 317 pounds, is the best player in the draft, period -- not just the best guard or even the best offensive lineman -- the best player. Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly says Warmack is one of the best guards to enter the NFL since 1973, when the Patriots drafted John Hannah, who in 1991 was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame six years after retiring.
"Warmack is capable of dominating in the run game and fortifying the pocket in pass protection," Nawrocki wrote. "He is a physical, difference-making power blocker. An intimidating heavyweight with power, strength and explosion to become a perennial Pro Bowl performer."


Considered by many to be one of the best all-around players in this draft class, Warmack should enjoy a long and productive NFL career

Breaking Down What Makes Chance Warmack the Best Offensive Guard in Years
At this point in the draft process, it sounds cliché to call Chance Warmack the best offensive guard the NFL has seen come through the college ranks in years but it's true: He really is that good.
The closest there's recently been to the Alabama guard is David DeCastro, who was selected No. 24 overall last year by the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he's not as strong as Warmack. Some feel there hasn't been a prospect at the position like Warmack in more 20 years, as respected draft analyst Tony Pauline noted (via SI.com).
Pauline: "Warmack approaches April as the most dominant guard in the draft since Steve Everitt, who was selected with the 14th pick in 1993. Warmack is big, strong and controls everything he gets his hands on. He's effective at the line of scrimmage or at the second level blocking in motion. Warmack will be an early first-round choice if no medical red flags are raised at the combine. 1st Round"

Warmack is not just one of the best prospects at his position, but one of the best overall heading into April.
Bottom line: He is unquestionably the most pro-ready prospect in the BCS Championship Game.

Do whatever it takes to get CHANCE WARMACK!!
Who's the "Player Who Can Wontribute the Most Immediately"?
I Had A Dream We Drafted Warmack
New mock draft has us getting WARMACK to good to be true?

Warmack was rumored to be doping at Alabama (not uncommon for football factories--particularly the SEC).

 

[Colonel_Buendia]

Warmack was rumored to be doping at Alabama (not uncommon for football factories--particularly the SEC).

I just googled "chance warmack doping," "warmack doping", "warmack steroids", and "chance warmack steroids" and found zero mentions of this, so this rumor must have been pretty hush hush, eh?

 

[WindyCity]

What does Warmack have to do with anything?

Warmack struggled in the pros with health and the fact that he was 6'2" which put him at a length disadvantage over most interior pass rushers. He wasn't bad, but injuries really stunted his development.

There have been can't miss guys at every position in the top 10 who have sucked.

 

[Colonel_Buendia]

What does Warmack have to do with anything?

Warmack struggled in the pros with health and the fact that he was 6'2" which put him at a length disadvantage over most interior pass rushers. He wasn't bad, but injuries really stunted his development.

There have been can't miss guys at every position in the top 10 who have sucked.

My only point is that every year fans get hyped over a "generational," "can't miss" prospect who is the "safest player in the draft" and will "lock down the [OG] spot for a decade" by being a "perennial pro bowler." But the truth is no prospect is "safe" or perfect, and to combine embellished superlatives with the complete dismissal of any potential criticism (see: this thread) is simply believing in the highlights, putting up blinders, and embracing ignorance.

 

[WindyCity]

My only point is that every year fans get hyped over a "generational," "can't miss" prospect who is the "safest player in the draft" and will "lock down the [OG] spot for a decade" by being a "perennial pro bowler." But the truth is no prospect is "safe" or perfect, and to combine embellished superlatives with the complete dismissal of any potential criticism (see: this thread) is simply believing in the highlights, putting up blinders, and embracing ignorance.

Fair.

I will say that Nelson is about as clean as you can get as a prospect. With Heistand in the building we should also know about his attitude and whether he has ever had a hang nail, which further limits the guess work.

 

[Colonel_Buendia]

Fair.

I will say that Nelson is about as clean as you can get as a prospect. With Heistand in the building we should also know about his attitude and whether he has ever had a hang nail, which further limits the guess work.

Definitely a huge advantage. I wouldn't be upset at all if they draft him.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

A dominant OL adds so much to the offense. Can't be over-stated.

I think the issue when taking an OL in the 1st round is that OL functions largely as a collective of 5 guys. It's more about have a strong chain of 5 rather than a couple elite links mixed in with weak links.

Teams want to fix their OLine overnight by landing an elite prospect, but I think the better strategy is to consistently be drafting an OLineman or two in the mid/late rounds each year. I'd rather use the first rounder on a different position.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I just googled "chance warmack doping," "warmack doping", "warmack steroids", and "chance warmack steroids" and found zero mentions of this, so this rumor must have been pretty hush hush, eh?

FWIW rumors among boosters aren't the same thing as rumors in the media. There were rumors among boosters about Alshon not wanting to stay in Chicago before any media said a peep.

 

[jbunch14]

FWIW rumors among boosters aren't the same thing as rumors in the media. There were rumors among boosters about Alshon not wanting to stay in Chicago before any media said a peep.

The Bears have boosters?? Fuck me.....

 

[xer0h0ur]

The Bears have boosters?? Fuck me.....

College boosters don't lose their connections or contacts when players get to the NFL level...I don't even follow college football and know about the Special person amount of money flowing through them. You think information isn't as valuable of a commodity?

 

[FirstTimer]

You would still rather have Ridley over Nelson? Or you would still rather have Ridley over McGlinchey in the mid to late 1st?

..over both.

WR need>>Guard need IMO. This draft class blows. Especially at WR. After Ridley it's a bunch of garbage.

 

[xer0h0ur]

..over both.

WR need>>Guard need IMO. This draft class blows. Especially at WR. After Ridley it's a bunch of garbage.

Another fallacy. I can't even call Ridley a player that is NFL elite tier to begin with. So whats it matter who are the guys after Ridley then? They're all a bunch of 2nd tier and below receivers, Ridley included, of which more than likely a few of them will end up being pretty good in the NFL. Every draft class ends up having at least a couple of receivers that out played their draft status.

Regardless not a single receiver is worthy of the #8 pick.

 

[FirstTimer]

Another fallacy. I can't even call Ridley a player that is NFL elite tier to begin with. So whats it matter who are the guys after Ridley then? They're all a bunch of 2nd tier and below receivers, Ridley included, of which more than likely a few of them will end up being pretty good in the NFL. Every draft class ends up having at least a couple of receivers that out played their draft status.

Regardless not a single receiver is worthy of the #8 pick.

I like Ridley a lot, especially if he runs well.

Not sure what is a fallacy. You aren't understanding my post. I feel the Bears need a WR more than a G. There is a WR who I feel is a top 15 pick available. I'd take the WR. Nelson is/will be a great player and a Top 10 pick. I feel Ridley would do more for the long term health of the team.

Simple concept.

The Bears need to come out of this draft with a WR. There's one there that IMO makes sense with the draft slot, and any other WR in the draft I don't really like, so I'm not going to advocate for waiting until later rounds to take guys I don't care for.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I like Ridley a lot, especially if he runs well.

Not sure what is a fallacy. You aren't understanding my post. I feel the Bears need a WR more than a G. There is a WR who I feel is a top 15 pick available. I'd take the WR. Nelson is/will be a great player and a Top 10 pick. I feel Ridley would do more for the long term health of the team.

Simple concept.

The Bears need to come out of this draft with a WR. There's one there that IMO makes sense with the draft slot, and any other WR in the draft I don't really like, so I'm not going to advocate for waiting until later rounds to take guys I don't care for.

This is simple. Ridley is not worth the #8 overall pick. I don't care how you present your argument. He isn't worth that. I also wouldn't want Pace to trade down and risk not getting Ridley in doing do and losing out on the talent he would have got at #8.

Alshon Jeffery was a 2nd round pick. Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick. You're seriously nuts if you believe teams can't get a quality receiver in the 2nd round and beyond.

 

[FirstTimer]

This is simple. Ridley is not worth the #8 overall pick

To you.

He is to me.

Good talk.

Alshon Jeffery was a 2nd round pick. Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick. You're seriously nuts if you believe teams can't get a quality receiver in the 2nd round and beyond.

Please list the mid to late round picks that you feel are comparable to these guys coming out as prospects.

Jeffery was an All-SEC WR, and an All-American.

Brown was an All-American in the MAC.

Any guys in this draft with that carte blanche you'd like the Bears to take in the 2nd-6th rounds?