Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

[Beast15]

The most important position in football is QB. Priority #1 is to protect the QB. Bears have an adequate Oline, but they need to come out of this draft with a top OL. I feel WR can be done in FA. Protect the QB= better chance for points on the board. I really like Nelson as it stands right now

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

No Simmie Cobbs, no Gus next year.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

To you.

He is to me.

Good talk.





Please list the mid to late round picks that you feel are comparable to these guys coming out as prospects.

Jeffery was an All-SEC WR, and an All-American.

Brown was an All-American in the MAC.

Any guys in this draft with that carte blanche you'd like the Bears to take in the 2nd-6th rounds?

That's a really weird point to raise as there are All-American WRs every year.

Anthony Miller and Michael Gallup for example.

 

[FirstTimer]

That's a really weird point to raise as there are All-American WRs every year.

Anthony Miller and Michael Gallup for example.

....It's a sign that they were pretty damn good in college and would obviously be on the resume line for their draft pluses. All All-American's aren't the same. Would you compare Miller/Gallup to Jeffery/Brown as pro-prospects? Were they as productive as those guys? As well regarded as those guys? Measurable? Timings?

Point is Brown(and especially Jeffery) weren't some diamonds in the rough. Brown was a small school/MAC kid so he fell but Jeffery was a monster in the best conference in college football for two seasons. Anyone like that out there this year he wants to take in the 2nd round?

 

[bamainatlanta]

I just googled "chance warmack doping," "warmack doping", "warmack steroids", and "chance warmack steroids" and found zero mentions of this, so this rumor must have been pretty hush hush, eh?

You wouldn't find this on the net. Ask any drunken wealthy SEC booster and they might be dumb enough to admit anything. You'd be surprised of what you hear, doesn't mean it's true all the time though

 

[bamainatlanta]

....It's a sign that they were pretty damn good in college and would obviously be on the resume line for their draft pluses. All All-American's aren't the same. Would you compare Miller/Gallup to Jeffery/Brown as pro-prospects? Were they as productive as those guys? As well regarded as those guys? Measurable? Timings?

Point is Brown(and especially Jeffery) weren't some diamonds in the rough. Brown was a small school/MAC kid so he fell but Jeffery was a monster in the best conference in college football for two seasons. Anyone like that out there this year he wants to take in the 2nd round?

St. Brown would be a great value in the 2nd. His stats nosedived as soon as Kizer left considering Wimbush is inaccurate. Not sure if his skill set is what Nagy looks for though.

 

[FirstTimer]

St. Brown would be a great value in the 2nd. His stats nosedived as soon as Kizer left considering Wimbush is inaccurate. Not sure if his skill set is what Nagy looks for though.

St. Brown is SAWFT. Mentally and physically.

There's a reason ND wasn't really sad he left for the pros.

 

[xer0h0ur]

To you.

He is to me.

Good talk.





Please list the mid to late round picks that you feel are comparable to these guys coming out as prospects.

Jeffery was an All-SEC WR, and an All-American.

Brown was an All-American in the MAC.

Any guys in this draft with that carte blanche you'd like the Bears to take in the 2nd-6th rounds?

I'm not an NFL scout, I don't follow college ball much at all aside from bowl games and most importantly since I don't want a receiver in the first round and I presume Pace won't take one in the first round either. Given that assumption I would far rather wait to see who is available in the 2nd round with our pick. Whomever is left over from Calvin Ridley.

Was interested in Deebo Samuel from SC despite the injury but he decided to stay for his senior year. Maybe Courtland Sutton from SMU is still around who is a big sumbitch at 6' 4" 215lbs with like 4.5ish speed. He's a legit matchup problem because of his size and figures to be a hell of a red zone target from his touchdown production. James Washington from Oklahoma State is another one who could end up being a 2nd rounder because of his limited route tree in a spread offense but he's got the tangibles like 4.4ish speed, power, vertical, body control. He's not exactly tall at 6' 0" but the majority of his height is in his legs making him appear big aside from that he isn't exactly lanky at 220 lbs. Equanimeous St. Brown from Notre Dame who seems to be projected as a 2nd rounder is another tall 6' 4" target although on the lighter side at 190 lbs with 4.4ish speed and he's pretty smart. 4.0 GPA student that speaks 4 languages and both of his younger brothers play wide receiver too.

Far too many guys to really make a comprehensive list but those guys off the top of my head intrigue me. The funny thing is that you're asking me to project who of these guys could end up being an Alshon Jeffery or Antonio Brown which is stupid. Obviously every receiver has something about him which causes them to drop in draft rating and no one knows how hard they want to work at being good in the NFL or if they can even get drafted into a team or scheme that favors them. Basically you set up your question to be a failure no matter the answers given because even Ridley doesn't match a Jeffery or Brown comp.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not an NFL scout, I don't follow college ball

Ok.

Thanks for playing.

Stopped reading here.

 

[xer0h0ur]

LOL, this is why I don't bother with you. You're a fucking troll. Back to the ignore list.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL, this is why I don't bother with you. You're a fucking troll. Back to the ignore list.

Just to review:

I'm a troll for discussing my thoughts on NFL draft prospects and asking you to name some WR's in this years draft the Bears could take later than the 1st round, and then deciding to no longer continue the conversation when you admit you can't because you don't even watch college football?

Got it.

It's MY fault you entered into a conversation that you knew you had no baseline knowledge of.

This place continues to suck.

I feel like Hogan at the 2000 Bash at the Beach

 

[dabears70]

Sorry, no. You're counting on having two starting guards one of which may be gone and the other who is recovering from 3 surgeries and is beginning to get up there in age. That is ridiculous. Furthermore you don't realize that last year he was the only guard PFF rated as being round 1 worthy and his pass protection even improved from that year. The fact is that Nelson is quite possibly the highest rated offensive lineman again for this draft. You're nuts if you think he doesn't provide value at the #8 pick and even more so for the Bears.

Ummmmmmmmm huh? I said multiple times that Nelson will be great so not sure what the hell you're talking about but we have bigger needs with our #8 pick then picking a guard and that's for sure. Guards aren't that hard to find in the NFL and in drafts and they don't have to be "Hall of fame" type to be able to win with. As i've said MULTIPLE times, if we picked Nelson i wouldn't be mad because we'd be getting someone who could be a great player but the smart move would be to get a player that could be great at a position that greatness shows more then a guard does and would be a bigger needed position then a guard is.

We also have C.Whitehair and E.Kush who could both play guard and we could win with at guard if we wanted to sign a center in free agency or draft one later in the draft. We don't have a big need at guard and it's pretty damn obvious.

 

[dabears70]

I really don't understand axioms like "You can't take a OG that high!" It was en vogue for half a decade to say the same thing about RBs, until people realized that the real problem wasn't "taking RBs that high," but that people were taking the wrong RBs that high because they were overvaluing the position in general (Brown/Benson/Williams draft comes to mind). But, if you're getting a true perennial-Pro Bown/All Pro guy, like Peterson, Elliot, etc., no one cares. Same thing with OGs. No one in DC regrets taking Brandon Scherff at #5. If Nelson is that good, then he's worthy of the pick.

How do you think the people in Tennessee feel about taking C.Warmack?

 

[xer0h0ur]

Just to review:

I'm a troll for discussing my thoughts on NFL draft prospects and asking you to name some WR's in this years draft the Bears could take later than the 1st round, and then deciding to no longer continue the conversation when you admit you can't because you don't even watch college football?

Got it.

It's MY fault you entered into a conversation that you knew you had no baseline knowledge of.

This place continues to suck.

I feel like Hogan at the 2000 Bash at the Beach

You took a one liner out of context and then ignored everything I said which you asked for. I also pointed out why your request was also a trolled setup since you put a stupid qualifier on it about which mid round prospects would be a Jeffery or Brown comp. When even your golden boy Ridley isn't a good comp to them to begin with. So yes you're nothing more than a troll and a shit poster. Go circle jerk with Rory Sparrow. I'm done with you for another year. Bye bye.

 

[dabears70]

College boosters don't lose their connections or contacts when players get to the NFL level...I don't even follow college football and know about the Special person amount of money flowing through them. You think information isn't as valuable of a commodity?

You can find out about anything on the internet...lol

 

[dabears70]

Another fallacy. I can't even call Ridley a player that is NFL elite tier to begin with. So whats it matter who are the guys after Ridley then? They're all a bunch of 2nd tier and below receivers, Ridley included, of which more than likely a few of them will end up being pretty good in the NFL. Every draft class ends up having at least a couple of receivers that out played their draft status.

Regardless not a single receiver is worthy of the #8 pick.

We need someone like you in our draft room cause it sure would be nice to have someone who knows what players will be in the NFL before they even get drafted. Not even NFL GM's that have been in football their whole lives can do that. You have a very special talent and you're wasting it by spending all your time on a message board...lol

 

[dabears70]

I'm not an NFL scout, I don't follow college ball much at all aside from bowl games and most importantly since I don't want a receiver in the first round and I presume Pace won't take one in the first round either. Given that assumption I would far rather wait to see who is available in the 2nd round with our pick. Whomever is left over from Calvin Ridley.

Was interested in Deebo Samuel from SC despite the injury but he decided to stay for his senior year. Maybe Courtland Sutton from SMU is still around who is a big sumbitch at 6' 4" 215lbs with like 4.5ish speed. He's a legit matchup problem because of his size and figures to be a hell of a red zone target from his touchdown production. James Washington from Oklahoma State is another one who could end up being a 2nd rounder because of his limited route tree in a spread offense but he's got the tangibles like 4.4ish speed, power, vertical, body control. He's not exactly tall at 6' 0" but the majority of his height is in his legs making him appear big aside from that he isn't exactly lanky at 220 lbs. Equanimeous St. Brown from Notre Dame who seems to be projected as a 2nd rounder is another tall 6' 4" target although on the lighter side at 190 lbs with 4.4ish speed and he's pretty smart. 4.0 GPA student that speaks 4 languages and both of his younger brothers play wide receiver too.

Far too many guys to really make a comprehensive list but those guys off the top of my head intrigue me. The funny thing is that you're asking me to project who of these guys could end up being an Alshon Jeffery or Antonio Brown which is stupid. Obviously every receiver has something about him which causes them to drop in draft rating and no one knows how hard they want to work at being good in the NFL or if they can even get drafted into a team or scheme that favors them. Basically you set up your question to be a failure no matter the answers given because even Ridley doesn't match a Jeffery or Brown comp.

Well now this is confusing. You were just telling us which players will be great and which won't and then you say you don't even watch college football?? I don't get it.

 

[xer0h0ur]

We need someone like you in our draft room cause it sure would be nice to have someone who knows what players will be in the NFL before they even get drafted. Not even NFL GM's that have been in football their whole lives can do that. You have a very special talent and you're wasting it by spending all your time on a message board...lol

You're welcome to hit me with a #CalledIt at any point in the future. I called it when I said Alshon Jeffery was going to be the best 2012 receiver in the draft. Despite barely watching college ball at all. His reasons for dropping in the draft weren't about his talent or tangibles. We got a steal that year because of it. Ridley doesn't give me that star #1 vibe I would expect from a potential elite talent. In fact I would practically be willing to bet you that two other receivers in this NFL draft will out-produce Ridley for their rookie season. Anyone want to take that bet?

 

[FirstTimer]

You took a one liner out of context.

You made a direct statement.

I questioned it.

Not my fault you said something with nothing to back it up.

Having a problem with the ignore function?

 

[FirstTimer]

We need someone like you in our draft room cause it sure would be nice to have someone who knows what players will be in the NFL before they even get drafted. Not even NFL GM's that have been in football their whole lives can do that. You have a very special talent and you're wasting it by spending all your time on a message board...lol

Especially if he has this talent and doesn't even watch college football!