Random cubs/baseball talks

[TL1961]

Christian Villanueva has 15 HRs.

BA is not great. Overall I expect falloff. But 15 HRs so far is very good.

 

[jooo83]

Swear too many knuckle heads out there whining about Darvish and blaming Theo for not meeting Boras’ demands for Jake.

All I can think of is Lester year 1 to now. 2015 he played 2nd fiddle to Jake and was a disappointment. WS later where he ran #2 in the Cy young....now he is looking like his old self.

Too early with Yu. There was a 126 mil investment and his elbow acted up. The one that TJ happened. You error on caution vs label a guy.

If you invested 126 mil into something you protect that investment vs run it to the ground while spitting on it as it dies.

Some peeps are plain dumb.

Who is saying that the cubs should have met Boras' ridiculous demands for Arrieta? I have said all along that I preferred Jake over Darvish but that is far from the same thing as saying that the cubs should have paid 200 million (the rumored amount that Boras wanted).

 

[jooo83]

Clayton Kershaw was put on the DL again for his back. Assuming he opts out, what time of contract do you think he will receive? He is obviously a great pitcher. But giving him 6+ years and 180-200+ million is a risky move.

 

[CSF77]

Who is saying that the cubs should have met Boras' ridiculous demands for Arrieta? I have said all along that I preferred Jake over Darvish but that is far from the same thing as saying that the cubs should have paid 200 million (the rumored amount that Boras wanted).

Not on this site. We weed the inbred

 

[CSF77]

Clayton Kershaw was put on the DL again for his back. Assuming he opts out, what time of contract do you think he will receive? He is obviously a great pitcher. But giving him 6+ years and 180-200+ million is a risky move.

Doubtful he opts

 

[jooo83]

Doubtful he opts

Even with only 2 years left on his deal? He has 2 years and about 69 million in salary remaining after this season. I understand the logic of why some believe he won't opt out but you would have to believe some team would offer more years and money than 2 years/69 million, right? If he doesn't opt out he will be 33 when his current deal is over.

For the record, I didn't word my pervious question very well. When I said, "assuming he opts out" I meant for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume he opts out.

 

[chibears55]

Even with only 2 years left on his deal? He has 2 years and about 69 million in salary remaining after this season. I understand the logic of why some believe he won't opt out but you would have to believe some team would offer more years and money than 2 years/69 million, right? If he doesn't opt out he will be 33 when his current deal is over.

For the record, I didn't word my pervious question very well. When I said, "assuming he opts out" I meant for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume he opts out.

Picked a bad year to start popping up with injuries..

Didn't he have the back issues last year?
If so that a red flag

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[jooo83]

Picked a bad year to start popping up with injuries..

Didn't he have the back issues last year?
If so that a red flag

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Yep, he missed about 5 weeks last season due to a back issue.

 

[CSF77]

I just don’t see him bothering. He is getting paid. Has been paid. Playing on a team that can contend.

So at this point in his career it is not about a pay day. He has been paid very well. It will be more so about putting rings on his fingers.

That I believe will be his motivation going forward.

If he opts out it will be because he feels that the Dodgers are a team that is limited and his opertunites will be so also.

Right now that team is still talented and the division is winnable every year. No Astros or Yankee/Red Sox issue. So him bailing out is really not very likely.

If he did I would think he would go to a team like Cleveland or Minn where he would push them to owning their division. Or the White Sox. That is the weakest division in baseball and he would weigh heavy in owning it.

 

[CSF77]

Yep, he missed about 5 weeks last season due to a back issue.

And no one will care. The teams would line up regardless

 

[chibears55]

https://twitter.com/realcubsinsider/status/1003051348139524098?s=19


Could be something down the road

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[TC in Mississippi]

I just don’t see him bothering. He is getting paid. Has been paid. Playing on a team that can contend.

So at this point in his career it is not about a pay day. He has been paid very well. It will be more so about putting rings on his fingers.

That I believe will be his motivation going forward.

If he opts out it will be because he feels that the Dodgers are a team that is limited and his opertunites will be so also.

Right now that team is still talented and the division is winnable every year. No Astros or Yankee/Red Sox issue. So him bailing out is really not very likely.

If he did I would think he would go to a team like Cleveland or Minn where he would push them to owning their division. Or the White Sox. That is the weakest division in baseball and he would weigh heavy in owning it.

Depending on his health he could be looking at a lot more money if he opts out. He’s guaranteed roughly $70 mil after this year, he could maybe up that by $100 mil. He may have made a lot of money already but who leaves that kind of money just because he’s comfortable?

 

[TL1961]

Agreed. Players want the $ as much for the ego boost as the actual financial reasons. Most will never spend it all, but if they think they're the best, they want to be highest paid.

Look at Aaron Rodgers - wants a clause in his contract that allows him to renegotiate to always be highest paid QB.

Kershaw may have 2 years at a high salary, but at 31, and the best pitcher in MLB over the course of his career, he will get a big payday no matter what - IF his back doesn't scare people off. But even if the back scare means a little less money, there's no way somebody doesn't pay him big $. No chance.

 

[fatbeard]

Agreed. Players want the $ as much for the ego boost as the actual financial reasons. Most will never spend it all, but if they think they're the best, they want to be highest paid.

Look at Aaron Rodgers - wants a clause in his contract that allows him to renegotiate to always be highest paid QB.

Kershaw may have 2 years at a high salary, but at 31, and the best pitcher in MLB over the course of his career, he will get a big payday no matter what - IF his back doesn't scare people off. But even if the back scare means a little less money, there's no way somebody doesn't pay him big $. No chance.

Eh, people chalk this up to being about athlete's "egos", but how many of the same people would be OK with making less than what their co-workers of comparable skill and experience make?

 

[TL1961]

Eh, people chalk this up to being about athlete's "egos", but how many of the same people would be OK with making less than what their co-workers of comparable skill and experience make?

I don’t mean to make it sound as terrible as that.
Most people want to make as much as they can. But I know I don’t get unhappy with my deal based on what others make.

 

[chibears55]

Eh, people chalk this up to being about athlete's "egos", but how many of the same people would be OK with making less than what their co-workers of comparable skill and experience make?

Little difference when youre comparing an average working man looking to make a couple extra dollars an hour so he can live a little more comfortable and pay his bills on time..

To A

Millionaire, looking to make sure his great great great great great grandchild can live comfortably

Lol

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[jooo83]

Depending on his health he could be looking at a lot more money if he opts out. He’s guaranteed roughly $70 mil after this year, he could maybe up that by $100 mil. He may have made a lot of money already but who leaves that kind of money just because he’s comfortable?

The answer is no one. He wouldn't need to anyway. The Dodgers will pay him. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I think a lot of fans believe players don't or shouldn't care about money simply because they are already paid a lot. It is all relative at the end of the day. And you can't blame a person for trying to maximize his or her earnings. So walking away from your last long term paycheck is unrealistic and a really bad choice on his part. Now if the league believes he is too big of a risk to sign long term that changes the conversation.

 

[jooo83]

I don’t mean to make it sound as terrible as that.
Most people want to make as much as they can. But I know I don’t get unhappy with my deal based on what others make.

You wouldn't be unhappy if your coworker with the same position or similar experience makes more than you?

 

[jooo83]

Little difference when youre comparing an average working man looking to make a couple extra dollars an hour so he can live a little more comfortable and pay his bills on time..

To A

Millionaire, looking to make sure his great great great great great grandchild can live comfortably

Lol

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I understand your point but at the end of the day it is all relative.

 

[CSF77]

The answer is no one. He wouldn't need to anyway. The Dodgers will pay him. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I think a lot of fans believe players don't or shouldn't care about money simply because they are already paid a lot. It is all relative at the end of the day. And you can't blame a person for trying to maximize his or her earnings. So walking away from your last long term paycheck is unrealistic and a really bad choice on his part. Now if the league believes he is too big of a risk to sign long term that changes the conversation.

I don’t think I agree with that. If he wants 30 mil per and puts that as the top priority then the team around him will end up payroll limited. Which kinda limits him to a team like the Sox who have a youth movement going on where he can sit on his pay day.

Harper will end up in the same situation. But I believe he will go after the payday and winning is a secondary priority.

Kershaw has been to the series and honestly I see him staying a Dodger. They are still in a great situation and him locking up 15% of payroll as these kids start to get into their pay days will end up limiting the talent around him.

I believe that he sits on it and sees what his team can do while they have control. If it continues to come up short no one would blame him for finishing up on a super team.