Random cubs/baseball talks

[beckdawg]

https://rayscoloredglasses.com/2018/05/27/tampa-bay-rays-chicago-cubs-make-good-trade-partners/

^ strikes me as rather odd. This isn't a cubs site. It's a rays site and it's pushing a trade of Archer for Caratini+ which is like... seems super light to me. I mean I get that Archer isn't really killing it this year but surely they can get a better offer than that.

 

[CSF77]

https://rayscoloredglasses.com/2018/05/27/tampa-bay-rays-chicago-cubs-make-good-trade-partners/

^ strikes me as rather odd. This isn't a cubs site. It's a rays site and it's pushing a trade of Archer for Caratini+ which is like... seems super light to me. I mean I get that Archer isn't really killing it this year but surely they can get a better offer than that.

I really hate fan based stuff like this that makes no sense from the Cubs point of view. They just invested heavy into 2 SP already. Honestly this is a bad match making from the get go.

2nd value wise: Cartiani is a add in and not a center piece. I could see him as the main piece in a lesser trade but the Cubs are better off holding him for injury reserve.

 

[anotheridiot]

https://rayscoloredglasses.com/2018/05/27/tampa-bay-rays-chicago-cubs-make-good-trade-partners/

^ strikes me as rather odd. This isn't a cubs site. It's a rays site and it's pushing a trade of Archer for Caratini+ which is like... seems super light to me. I mean I get that Archer isn't really killing it this year but surely they can get a better offer than that.

he must not have seen Jiminez and Cease for Quintana. The other thing is what the hell do you do with Darvish or Chatwood, hope a year long DL stint is in the books?

No, I dont think Archers value is as high as it was last year, but I also think that the Arrieta and Darvish contracts from last off season might have someone give more to get archer if he will be limited to 25 million tops.

 

[anotheridiot]

Speaking of Jake, he homered and it was the only run the Phillies scored in the series. He was very pissed. I guess he was hoping to put up a better fight when he shows up again. Maybe he is the guy that we should be trying to get back not Archer.

 

[CSF77]

he must not have seen Jiminez and Cease for Quintana. The other thing is what the hell do you do with Darvish or Chatwood, hope a year long DL stint is in the books?

No, I dont think Archers value is as high as it was last year, but I also think that the Arrieta and Darvish contracts from last off season might have someone give more to get archer if he will be limited to 25 million tops.

Archer=Darvish

 

[anotheridiot]

Archer=Darvish

Right, and some were thinking Darvish and Jakes deals could hit 30 per year, so it was possible Archer was going to cost that much too. Now its down to 25, I dont even know if Kershaw will get more if he opts out. Reupping Archer could range from 18-25, not 25-30 anymore.

But the point still is, what do you do with Darvish or Chatwood if you did get him for Caratini and some pitchers?

 

[CSF77]

Right, and some were thinking Darvish and Jakes deals could hit 30 per year, so it was possible Archer was going to cost that much too. Now its down to 25, I dont even know if Kershaw will get more if he opts out. Reupping Archer could range from 18-25, not 25-30 anymore.

But the point still is, what do you do with Darvish or Chatwood if you did get him for Caratini and some pitchers?

First of all: they would never do it. This is just some fan based muse.

2nd of all: Alozay would be the head liner not a SH catcher stuck in AAA.

3rd: Cubs are set in the rotation. They made their bed and have depth upwelling.

So in view of this I really don’t even think this is worth even discussing further.

I’ve already said early season Morrow was my main concern. He has shut the door there.

Now the concern has switched to late inning stability. Edwards and the rest have been unsteady in general and if they makes some tough choices that is where the red flag is.

Darvish will be fine. All of this crap will end up forgotten and we will be wondering how many SO’s he gets that day. Bump in the road. The talent is there and the rotation becomes that much better when he returns.

The only rotation debate imo is Chatwood vs Montgomery and is really don’t think it is a debate. Montgomery is filling in for injury and that is how it will end up. It’s Chatwood’s job

 

[fatbeard]

Mike Trout has 4.8 fWAR and we're not even close to halfway through the season. On pace for a Top 10 all-time season...

 

[Diehardfan]

First of all: they would never do it. This is just some fan based muse.

2nd of all: Alozay would be the head liner not a SH catcher stuck in AAA.

3rd: Cubs are set in the rotation. They made their bed and have depth upwelling.

So in view of this I really don’t even think this is worth even discussing further.

I’ve already said early season Morrow was my main concern. He has shut the door there.

Now the concern has switched to late inning stability. Edwards and the rest have been unsteady in general and if they makes some tough choices that is where the red flag is.

Darvish will be fine. All of this crap will end up forgotten and we will be wondering how many SO’s he gets that day. Bump in the road. The talent is there and the rotation becomes that much better when he returns.

The only rotation debate imo is Chatwood vs Montgomery and is really don’t think it is a debate. Montgomery is filling in for injury and that is how it will end up. It’s Chatwood’s job

This.....

A whole lot of that going around on this forum.....

 

[SilenceS]

Arron judge just went 0 for 9 with a walk and 8 strikeouts in a double header. He went 0 for 5 with 5 k’s in the night cap. Lol


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[TC in Mississippi]

Kyle Schwarber is now 21st in WAR in MLB and 8th in the NL. He's on pace to be a 6 plus WAR player for the season. He's also among the top 10 hitters in wRC+ and 1st in defensive WAR among NL left fielders. Atta boy, Kyle.

 

[Diehardfan]

Kyle Schwarber is now 21st in WAR in MLB and 8th in the NL. He's on pace to be a 6 plus WAR player for the season. He's also among the top 10 hitters in wRC+ and 1st in defensive WAR among NL left fielders. Atta boy, Kyle.

Where are all the "trade Schwarber to the American League" wags now? I mean, he'll never be more than a DH, right?

 

[chibears55]

Arron judge just went 0 for 9 with a walk and 8 strikeouts in a double header. He went 0 for 5 with 5 k’s in the night cap. Lol


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Is this the 2nd time he done that this year

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[chibears55]

Kyle Schwarber is now 21st in WAR in MLB and 8th in the NL. He's on pace to be a 6 plus WAR player for the season. He's also among the top 10 hitters in wRC+ and 1st in defensive WAR among NL left fielders. Atta boy, Kyle.

Curious..is his defensive war being high have more to do with his assists ?

Ill admit he looks alot better then before but he still looks a bit awkward running down balls and misplaying some hits..
He dont get charged with an error for those



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[beckdawg]

Curious..is his defensive war being high have more to do with his assists ?

Ill admit he looks alot better then before but he still looks a bit awkward running down balls and misplaying some hits..
He dont get charged with an error for those



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Defensive war doesn't use assists assuming we're talking fangraphs war. It uses UZR if memory serves me. But, in essence yes it's kind of the assists because his UZR is nuts because his arm is a 3.8 right now. His range is also better but he'd be more average if not for his arm.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Where are all the "trade Schwarber to the American League" wags now? I mean, he'll never be more than a DH, right?

If he didn't work hard to lose weight and put more muscle where it mattered, he would still be best destined for a AL DH spot. Kudos to him for proving people wrong.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

If he didn't work hard to lose weight and put more muscle where it mattered, he would still be best destined for a AL DH spot. Kudos to him for proving people wrong.

I think losing weight is part of it but he really started this improvement after coming back from AAA last year. He put up solid, if unspectacular numbers after that and the conditioning and clear work with his eye at the plate have built upon that success. One thing that I think was overlooked almost entirely was that he was coming off a major injury in 2016 and I think that was masked by his WS success. I think part of his great performance in the WS was due to the fact that he really wasn't even a long shot to play right up until the time he did and Cleveland simply wasn't prepare from a scouting aspect for him. Combine that with Kyle's comparative drive and natural skills and he succeeded in a small sample size. For whatever reason though certain segments of the fanbase turned on him after the 3 bad months last year and even his improvement after returning was overlooked. Also he's just now approaching 1,000 PA (966) which is where you stop looking for fundamental changes in a player and start looking for incremental ones. I have always thought that his baseline is somewhere around .280/.380/.580 with a 20% K rate and 12%-15% BB rate with a year or two where he exceeds that. I absolutely believe that.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Curious..is his defensive war being high have more to do with his assists ?

Ill admit he looks alot better then before but he still looks a bit awkward running down balls and misplaying some hits..
He dont get charged with an error for those



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His ceiling on defense is likely slightly above average. I don't think he'll ever be a terrific route runner but he has improved there and his range has limits. Still he's always been athletic enough to project improvement, I just think people soured so much after seeing the few ridiculous errors that they stopped looking for that improvement. He's always going to make a few bad plays, but the rest should be just fine.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I think losing weight is part of it but he really started this improvement after coming back from AAA last year. He put up solid, if unspectacular numbers after that and the conditioning and clear work with his eye at the plate have built upon that success. One thing that I think was overlooked almost entirely was that he was coming off a major injury in 2016 and I think that was masked by his WS success. I think part of his great performance in the WS was due to the fact that he really wasn't even a long shot to play right up until the time he did and Cleveland simply wasn't prepare from a scouting aspect for him. Combine that with Kyle's comparative drive and natural skills and he succeeded in a small sample size. For whatever reason though certain segments of the fanbase turned on him after the 3 bad months last year and even his improvement after returning was overlooked. Also he's just now approaching 1,000 PA (966) which is where you stop looking for fundamental changes in a player and start looking for incremental ones. I have always thought that his baseline is somewhere around .280/.380/.580 with a 20% K rate and 12%-15% BB rate with a year or two where he exceeds that. I absolutely believe that.

Yep. He definitely has a competitive drive, which would be part of the makeup for drafting him and believing in his ability while he took his lumps in LF. I've always believed in his bat. Now he's building himself into a more complete player.

 

[Diehardfan]

If he didn't work hard to lose weight and put more muscle where it mattered, he would still be best destined for a AL DH spot. Kudos to him for proving people wrong.

He's just a guy that really, really wants to be a player and will do anything to achieve that goal. If something happened to Contreras and they said..."hey, we're in a tight spot and really need you to catch again". He'd do that too. Nothing he does surprises me.