Random cubs/baseball talks

[Diehardfan]

Hills baseball career ended with the cubs due to him getting wrecked due to the word going around the league about pitch tipping. That is the comparison to Darvish. If you want to start a pity party for Darvish and his hurt arm and beyond modern medicine being able to identify the problem, its your call. All I brought up is how the league destroys pitchers that tip pitches. Its like the abacus dealing sewing circle here dealing with percentages of hitting into a shift.

All this moron said was he fell off the map for 7 years, which is two years longer than Darvish is signed. Lets all hope he gets an honor in 7 years when he changes his delivery and becomes man of the year in 2025 with another team.

Which had about zero to do with tipping pitches....read the story I linked. The guy had physical problems. But hey, you are Dr. Idiot Head Psychologist for the Cubs Forum...you have all the answers. Who am I to question any moron who can come up with so much unsubstantiated bullshit?

 

[Diehardfan]

Cubs fans wildly overrate their own players. Fact is this team is full of average to slightly above average players. Nothing elite and none near the best in the league. But Theo and the Cubs money will keep them 8-12th best for years to come. When you think about that, contending is not so bad. They are a fun team to watch with great chemistry, but are they dominant? Nope

Contending yearly. That's an oxymoron for most of us that have been following this team for any length of time. You are correct, this teams has holes. There are alot of guys that think this an elite team. It is not. There is no team that they "should" beat or any series that is a gimme. It is a good team and if you contend and make the playoffs, get hot at the right time...you can go far.

 

[Omeletpants]

Contending yearly. That's an oxymoron for most of us that have been following this team for any length of time. You are correct, this teams has holes. There are alot of guys that think this an elite team. It is not. There is no team that they "should" beat or any series that is a gimme. It is a good team and if you contend and make the playoffs, get hot at the right time...you can go far.

Excellent analysis. The best any fan can expect is to contend every year, except Yankees fans that have always expected to win it every year. I knew they were suicidal from the 20s to the 60s when the Yankees didnt win it all. For the rest of us, contending is all you can ask

 

[CSF77]

Except nobody talking about his injury
Or at least im not



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Didn’t exactly say you.

On your arguement. In general confidence is a screwy thing isn’t it? Some are born with no fear. Other gain it via success.

I see it as here he is. New situation. Big contract. Gets 2 injuries. Now he is jitterbugged

Not every one is the same honestly. I tend to give a guy the benifit vs screw jobbing him unjustly.

Way I look at it is if a fan base just torches F/A’s that sign (Heyward) it sets a bad president going forward trying to ink deals.

 

[chibears55]

https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/1012862720029417473?s=19

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[CSF77]

https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/1012862720029417473?s=19

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Treatment:
Posterior impingement syndrome of the elbow is often treatable with non-operative management. A rehabilitation programme to improve strength, flexibility and elbow range of motion may be helpful. Injections into the posterior compartment (back) of the elbow are often useful to reduce the inflammation and swelling, either Cortico- steroids or Hyaluronons may be used. When non-operative measures have failed or particularly if there is locking and catching due to loose bone fragments within the joint and spurs, arthroscopic (keyhole) surgery is required to remove them. Return to sports after this surgery may take up to 3 months.

 

[CSF77]

Didn't say bone spur yet. I kinda know that my R wrist has a impingement from bone growth post surgery.

 

[Adipost]

https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/1012862720029417473?s=19

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Good news, when I heard he was getting a 2nd opinion I thought he was pretty much done for the season.

 

[beckdawg]

I decided to take a look at relievers I thought might make sense trade wise and came up with Jeurys Familia and Zach Britton. The short version of what I was looking at was high ground ball rate to play well with the great team defense the cubs have and a low walk rate because obviously that's been an issue with the cubs in the past. Both these guys are on teams going no where. Both are in the final year of their contract. Both aren't what they were 2 years ago.

Problem with Britton is i have no idea if he's even "good" anymore. His results have not been good since returning from injury. Familia looks like he's had some bad luck though his ground ball rate is down about 10% from his best years.

 

[chibears55]

Good news, when I heard he was getting a 2nd opinion I thought he was pretty much done for the season.

He may not be done for season but may miss some time..

Guessing a return will most likely be some point after the break if all good in a week..

Probably get a couple rehab starts

Here my question now and it was brought up on ESPN radio

With him being questionable in how he will be if when he returns..

Hendricks being a bit shaky

Quintana been basically a 5 inning pitcher6

If the Cubs are looking to not just get to but win the WS..

Do they roll the dice with what they have or go after the big prize in Jason DeGrom to stabilize the rotation and give them a 2nd TOR stud to go with Lester and matchup better with the other playoff contenders top 3 in rotation..

Sutcliffe feels the arms they have in lower levels A ball etc. would be enticing if the Mets are willing to trade for future arms

DeGrom is 30 and under team control for 3 more seasons after this...

Be interesting to see what they do if anything to strengthen themselves for a playoff run...

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[Adipost]

He may not be done for season but may miss some time..

Guessing a return will most likely be some point after the break if all good in a week..

Probably get a couple rehab starts

Here my question now and it was brought up on ESPN radio

With him being questionable in how he will be if when he returns..

Hendricks being a bit shaky

Quintana been basically a 5 inning pitcher6

If the Cubs are looking to not just get to but win the WS..

Do they roll the dice with what they have or go after the big prize in Jason DeGrom to stabilize the rotation and give them a 2nd TOR stud to go with Lester and matchup better with the other playoff contenders top 3 in rotation..

Sutcliffe feels the arms they have in lower levels A ball etc. would be enticing if the Mets are willing to trade for future arms

DeGrom is 30 and under team control for 3 more seasons after this...

Be interesting to see what they do if anything to strengthen themselves for a playoff run...

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The only way I see this happening is if Darvish’s injury is career ending. The Cubs have already given up a lot for Quintana and signed Darvish to a big contract all in the past year. Degrom/Lester/Quintana/Darvish/Hendricks is massive overkill unless Epstein has already lost all confidence in Darvish, Quintana, and Hendricks going forward.

 

[chibears55]

The only way I see this happening is if Darvish’s injury is career ending. The Cubs have already given up a lot for Quintana and signed Darvish to a big contract all in the past year. Degrom/Lester/Quintana/Darvish/Hendricks is massive overkill unless Epstein has already lost all confidence in Darvish, Quintana, and Hendricks going forward.

How that overkill...
Can never have enough good pitching and it not like their gonna be paying DeGrom a ton of money

Payroll going forward for these guys..

Lester 27.5 20 10 mil tmopt
Darvish 20 22 22 19 18
Quintana 10.5 tm opt. 11.5 tm opt
Hendricks Arb 2019,20,21

DeGrom Arb 2019 20 21

So it not like their going to be using up payroll for these guys

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[chibears55]

Brewers beat the reds again, so i guess the reds aren't hot anymore..

Brewers reached the halfway point with 48 wins, on pace for 96 wins..

Gotta hope they dont pull the big trade deadline surprise and add a solid SP

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[beckdawg]

Brewers beat the reds again, so i guess the reds aren't hot anymore..

Brewers reached the halfway point with 48 wins, on pace for 96 wins..

Gotta hope they dont pull the big trade deadline surprise and add a solid SP

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Can't imagine how they'd pull off any trade. They have 2 55 grade prospects and a handful of 50's. Hiura is a good hitter but he's defensively challenged and isn't the type of player every team wants. His best case is he can play 2B and maybe LF. Their other 55 is Corbin Burnes who's a collection of 50/55 pitches without anything elite. Typically that's a "safe" player but their ceiling is generally like #3/4 starter. As an example here, neither is approaching either Eloy or Cease from last year.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Can't imagine how they'd pull off any trade. They have 2 55 grade prospects and a handful of 50's. Hiura is a good hitter but he's defensively challenged and isn't the type of player every team wants. His best case is he can play 2B and maybe LF. Their other 55 is Corbin Burnes who's a collection of 50/55 pitches without anything elite. Typically that's a "safe" player but their ceiling is generally like #3/4 starter. As an example here, neither is approaching either Eloy or Cease from last year.

I wouldn't say they can't make a move. There was a trade proposal being bandied about on MLB Radio this week that would send deGrom to Milwaukee for Hader, Santana, Hiura and Burnes. It was just speculation but that's a good trade for both teams and if I'm Milwaukee I do it immediately. It would take balls, but it's the kind of move championship teams make. More likely is that they go for an expiring contract like JA Happ and they certainly have the chips to make that work. I still think the Cubs have the better hand but the truth is Milwaukee has the assets to get a starting pitcher whether it's going big with a deGrom or smaller with a Happ or Tyson Ross.

 

[CSF77]

Honestly DeGromm would be one hell of an plan and in theory it would make the Cubs the favored. DeGromm, Lester, Darvish, Q as your play off rotation is outstanding.

But with and muse you have to look at it objectively

1. Do the Cubs have what it takes to pull it off? I really don’t think so myself. They lack blue chips. Short answer no.

2. Are the Cubs desperate? No they have 5 guys in the rotation and Underwood sitting.

I just don’t see it from a talent point of view and no the young pitching is not game changing. Mets can get a much better haul from 80% of the teams

 

[chibears55]

Honestly DeGromm would be one hell of an plan and in theory it would make the Cubs the favored. DeGromm, Lester, Darvish, Q as your play off rotation is outstanding.

But with and muse you have to look at it objectively

1. Do the Cubs have what it takes to pull it off? I really don’t think so myself. They lack blue chips. Short answer no.

2. Are the Cubs desperate? No they have 5 guys in the rotation and Underwood sitting.

I just don’t see it from a talent point of view and no the young pitching is not game changing. Mets can get a much better haul from 80% of the teams

I would think Sutcliffe would have a better idea of the talent in the lower levels then any of us here put together..

He said if the mets or any team the cubs are looking to try and deal with are looking for future arms then the cubs have those guys in the lower levels..

Mets look to go in full rebuild mode, they may be interested in something like that..
Guys like Bote would probably interest them too..

Of course theyll look at all teams interested in DeGrom and take the best offer..

But just saying the cubs do have some interesting pieces, their just in the lower levels


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[CSF77]

I would think Sutcliffe would have a better idea of the talent in the lower levels then any of us here put together..

He said if the mets or any team the cubs are looking to try and deal with are looking for future arms then the cubs have those guys in the lower levels..

Mets look to go in full rebuild mode, they may be interested in something like that..
Guys like Bote would probably interest them too..

Of course theyll look at all teams interested in DeGrom and take the best offer..

But just saying the cubs do have some interesting pieces, their just in the lower levels


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Lower levels would mean Abbott, Lange, Little, Uelman. all are good pitchers but not one is top 100 So each is a toss in.

That means that they would have to take from the roster. Even if they decided to use Happ, Bote or Cartiani I don’t see that package moving 3 control years of DeGromm. I don’t see it buying out the end of the year either.

To get DeGromm it hurts your play off chances. DeGromm holds equal value to Bryant. Period. Think what you would expect in return for Bryant. Because that is what the Mets would get.

 

[CSF77]

But to get DeGromm think Russell, Schwarber and Lange.

 

[chibears55]

Let this sink in a bit..

https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/1013141107482546176?s=19

Despite his defense and all , Maddon still plays him sparingly

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