Relax..Epstein won't be new GM (speculation thread)

[nwfisch]

I'm not asking for 10 better players. I'm saying that you can't refute my argument that he could be considered a top 10 player, which he definitely could.

Mags
Holliday
Pujols
Fielder
Braun
Howard
ARod
Beltran
Peavy
Mariano Rivera

Plus more pitchers and hitters.....

 

[Captain Obvious]

Try using words. It's amazing how communication increases when words are used. Or do you need someone to come to bat for you?

 

[nwfisch]

Thread title sucks because it makes it seem like news was broken or something. And since it not news or informative at all, it should be added to the Epstein thread that's already going.

Meh, the board could always use discussion.

I agree though.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Mags
Holliday
Pujols
Fielder
Braun
Howard
ARod
Beltran
Peavy
Mariano Rivera

Plus more pitchers and hitters.....

I guess you didn't get the part where I said I'm not asking for 10 players.

My whole argument is that he can be considered a top 10 player very easily. By simply looking at the all-inclusive stat commonly known as "WAR"

 

[nwfisch]

It's called sarcasm bro. And just because Wrigley is *sometimes* a hitters park, doesn't mean jackshit. Hell, that means that we need pitching more than if we were in a hitters ballpark. You make really illogical arguments.

Says the person who claimed Soriano was a top 10 player in 2007.

And then used Soriano's defense to say he was better than someone.

Am I ruining your dreams by saying the Cubs won't go anywhere until they move out of Wrigley?

 

[nwfisch]

I guess you didn't get the part where I said I'm not asking for 10 players.

My whole argument is that he can be considered a top 10 player very easily. By simply looking at the all-inclusive stat commonly known as "WAR"

Those are 10 players regardless of position who had better seasons than Soriano. It's OK.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'm not asking for 10 better players. I'm saying that you can't refute my argument that he could be considered a top 10 player, which he definitely could.

i'm sure he has an argument for the top 10

but i'm sure about 20 or 25 players do as well

at the end of the day, looking at the stats i dont believe he was a top 10 player

could it be argued? yes

but it is a weaker argument than probably a good 10-15 players that year

 

[Captain Obvious]

Says the person who claimed Soriano was a top 10 player in 2007.

And then used Soriano's defense to say he was better than someone.

Am I ruining your dreams by saying the Cubs won't go anywhere until they move out of Wrigley?

Right, because the ballpark plays suchhhhhh a big factor into that. Forget about the actual on field product.

Kudos on getting yourself out of the spotlight and trying to turn it on me... in not one, but two threads.

Soriano being a top 10 player is a very logical argument to make. Saying the Cubs don't need pitchers because we play in a hitters ballpark is not a logical argument. Why don't you go ahead and elaborate on why the Cubs don't need pitchers? I'll go over the other thread and reply to you there and when I get back, I expect your best work.

 

[nwfisch]

But WAR

 

[Captain Obvious]

Those are 10 players regardless of position who had better seasons than Soriano. It's OK.

Based off of what? I'm intrigued.

But WAR

Excuse me for not using batting average to make a point. Sorry for using something that it beyond the reach of your brain. I wasn't aware that that is illegal.

 

[nwfisch]

Right, because the ballpark plays suchhhhhh a big factor into that. Forget about the actual on field product.

Kudos on getting yourself out of the spotlight and trying to turn it on me... in not one, but two threads.

Soriano being a top 10 player is a very logical argument to make. Saying the Cubs don't need pitchers because we play in a hitters ballpark is not a logical argument. Why don't you go ahead and elaborate on why the Cubs don't need pitchers? I'll go over the other thread and reply to you there and when I get back, I expect your best work.

Where did I say the Cubs didn't need pitching?

I said it doesn't matter if Friedman can develop pitching, because more often than not, it will be negated by Wrigley.

The Cubs will not win a World Series until they leave Wrigley, no GM will change that.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Longoria is the only postional all-star they have.

OK if he develops pitching, it doesn't matter considering Wrigley is a hitters park?

Where did I say the Cubs didn't need pitching?

I said it doesn't matter if Friedman can develop pitching, because more often than not, it will be negated by Wrigley.

The Cubs will not win a World Series until they leave Wrigley, no GM will change that.

You said developing pitching doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure that pitching does matter. Would you rather throw shitty pitchers out there and then see worse results? Again, use some logic in your arguments, please.

You also seem to be forgetting this thing called wind. In some cases, it blows in at Wrigley. Then Wrigley's MO completely changes.

Bullshit. The ballpark does not play that much of a factor. If the GM builds the best team year in and year out, we most certainly will win. You act like the ballpark is the on field product and it's not.

 

[nwfisch]

You said developing pitching doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure that pitching does matter. Would you rather throw shitty pitchers out there and then see worse results? Again, use some logic in your arguments, please.

You also seem to be forgetting this thing called wind. In some cases, it blows in at Wrigley. Then Wrigley's MO completely changes.

Bullshit. The ballpark does not play that much of a factor. If the GM builds the best team year in and year out, we most certainly will win. You act like the ballpark is the on field product and it's not.

I didn't say it wasn't a need. I said it didn't matter when different factors in Chicago are accounted for.

I said it doesn't matter with Wrigley being a hitters park. It's a lot different than pitching in the hallows of Tropicana Field.

Go ahead, I'm still waiting a metric that says Soriano is top 10 player for 2007.

 

[bleacherbum54]

fish pitching does matter and wont be negated by Wrigley. Tropicana Field is a better park to hit in then Wrigley. If we had the pitching the Rays do in there system we would of contended this year. we wouldn't of won the division but we would of been close.

Actually if we were in PETCO park pitching probably wouldn't mean as much in a hitters park you need good pitching just like you do in pitchers parks. Teams that win the WS have good pitching 100x better than what the cubs had this year.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I didn't say it wasn't a need. I said it didn't matter when different factors in Chicago are accounted for.

I said it doesn't matter with Wrigley being a hitters park. It's a lot different than pitching in the hallows of Tropicana Field.

Go ahead, I'm still waiting a metric that says Soriano is top 10 player for 2007.

You struggle with reading too now? I already told you... WAR.

It certainly does matter with Wrigley being a hitters park. That means that you need pitching more than if you were in a pitchers park. This isn't hard. Hitters park favors hitters, the better your pitchers are, the better they will be able to hold the other team's hitters, who already have an advantage because of the park.

 

[nwfisch]

Density in this thread

 

[nwfisch]

WAR

Link, source??

 

[Captain Obvious]

Density in this thread

Why don't you try explaining yourself with some sentences. Or is that asking too much?

 

[nwfisch]

Why don't you try explaining yourself with some sentences. Or is that asking too much?

I already did, and as usual, you put words in my mouth, and hurled insults at 3 people in this thread.

For the crap Chris got for starting this thread, he at least is worth conversing with, he doesn't hurl insults left and right at people.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Link, source??

Gladly, since I know it's hard for you to type in fangraphs.com.

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