Roquan Smith snubbed in All Pro Voting

[SlickWilly]

is everyone gonna /wrists over this?

Roquan Smith makes more money than we ever will in our lifetimes. I'm sure he'll be ok

Thanks for lending your crying to the thread.

 

[Anytime23]

I know how we arrived here. You’re being dense. I asked if he was wrong in this instance on Roquan. You want to talk about something else. That’s fine.

So you dont know. Good job.

 

[truthbedamned]

Is there any current Bears player you actually like and cheer for or do you s*** on them all?

He shit's on them all because he isn't really a Bears fan. Just a fucking internet troll. Check my sig.

 

[Midwaymonster75]

or people just dont think he's as good as his stats suggest.

 

[Anytime23]

He shit's on them all because he isn't really a Bears fan. Just a fucking internet troll. Check my sig.

Living rent free in your head for half a decade. Smoke up and get over it, Bob.

 

[Enasic]

He finished the season as the highest graded edge player by PFF.

He made the Pro Bowl.

He was 2nd team All Pro.

Now what is more likely. That PFF, Pro Bowl voters, and All Pro voters got it wrong or Bears fans don't understand the value Mack brings that apparently all these other people do?

That’s all well and fine. He’s still not the same guy he was in 18 and still not worth the investment

And PFF, while a decent tool to use....is more a screwdriver than a power tool, its nowhere near a be all end all.

 

[bamainatlanta]

What has Kmet done that makes it look like he will be great, to me, he looks no betterthan an average back up TE

Keep telling yourself that

 

[Tillman33]

He made 2nd team All Pro. Only idiot fans think he is washed up.

Actually I think only a casual fan would still think Mack is an elite player.

Hopefully he records a stat this weekend.

 

[Starion]

Virginia probably heard about Roquan boat partying with pornstars and had him blackballed.

 

[mecha]

Thanks for lending your crying to the thread.

that's like the opposite of it, but right on dude.

 

[msadows]

What has Kmet done that makes it look like he will be great, to me, he looks no betterthan an average back up TE

Athleticism, brute strength, hands, work ethic, blocking.

Anyone expecting him to have a great season stats wise was always setting the bar too high. He started one year in college. He was taken as a massive upside/potential TE option. So far, from what I've seen, he's been getting better every week.

He will be our next young QB's best friend. Guy has a massive catch radius and is impossible to bring down.

 

[msadows]

That’s all well and fine. He’s still not the same guy he was in 18 and still not worth the investment

And PFF, while a decent tool to use....is more a screwdriver than a power tool, its nowhere near a be all end all.

Thank you. It's a nice tool to have, but it's not something you should rely on.

This was macks worst year. Doesn't matter what PFF tells you. Yes, even in his worst year he's still a great player, but he honestly didn't deserve the all pro nod.

He had 2 more pressures than Leonard Floyd this year, and 1.5 less sacks than him.

If mack is an all pro, then leonard floyd is too, I guess.

 

[remydat]

That’s all well and fine. He’s still not the same guy he was in 18 and still not worth the investment

And PFF, while a decent tool to use....is more a screwdriver than a power tool, its nowhere near a be all end all.

Yes we agree PFF is nowhere near a be all end all. Hence why I also mentioned the fact he made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro. So the point is we have PFF, coaches, other players and sports writers that disagree with the take that he is no longer good.

The biggest issue with Mack is Pagano. His scheme often times allows the QB to get rid of the ball before Mack can turn his top 10 in pressures into sacks because of the stupid off coverage and the limited blitzing.

If we get a more aggressive DC next year who blitzes and plays DBs tighter and Mack's sacks increase people will claim he has rediscovered his form which would be a lie. The form is still there. The issue is the scheme. See also the post below. Part of the reason Pagano's scheme is dumb is he allows Mack to get doubled more than he should. Blitzing more would create more one on one matchups so that Mack wouldn't get doubled as much.

 

[remydat]

Thank you. It's a nice tool to have, but it's not something you should rely on.

This was macks worst year. Doesn't matter what PFF tells you. Yes, even in his worst year he's still a great player, but he honestly didn't deserve the all pro nod.

He had 2 more pressures than Leonard Floyd this year, and 1.5 less sacks than him.

If mack is an all pro, then leonard floyd is too, I guess.

This is a stupid take.

1. Mack has 57 pressures and Floyd has 45.

2. Mack is an infinitely better run defender than Floyd.

3. Mack is double teamed more than Floyd as he is the focus of the opposing offense while Floyd benefits from the Donald effect.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1332718134340497408

Floyd is one of the least double teamed defenders in the NFL and his pass rush win rate is still below average. Mack is one of the most double teamed defenders in the NFL and his pass rush win rate is still above average and much higher than Floyd's.

It is clear the coaches, players and writers who vote for the Pro Bowl and All Pro understand the above and you don't. Hence why Mack got the nod and not Floyd. This is dumber than your Pagano take.

 

[jsu34]

This is a stupid take.

1. Mack has 57 pressures and Floyd has 45.

2. Mack is an infinitely better run defender than Floyd.

3. Mack is double teamed more than Floyd as he is the focus of the opposing offense while Floyd benefits from the Donald effect.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1332718134340497408

Floyd is one of the least double teamed defenders in the NFL and his pass rush win rate is still below average. Mack is one of the most double teamed defenders in the NFL and his pass rush win rate is still above average and much higher than Floyd's.

It is clear the coaches, players and writers who vote for the Pro Bowl and All Pro understand the above and you don't. Hence why Mack got the nod and not Floyd. This is dumber than your Pagano take.

So if I read the chart correctly, Mack is basically 5th in the league in win rate vs double-team rate?

So much for the "Mack can't get it done" crowd.

 

[Tillman33]

On the days that Mack doesn’t get a sack (which seem to be growing) I’ll be happy if he gets 2 tackles and a pressure or two.. I guess that qualifies as a good game these days from one of the highest paid defensive players ever.

 

[remydat]

So if I read the chart correctly, Mack is basically 5th in the league in win rate vs double-team rate?

So much for the "Mack can't get it done" crowd.

Well there are 5 guys that faced as much or more double teams as Mack with a higher Pass Rush win rate. Bosa, Garrett, Watt, Graham and Young. So he is 6th.

What this really shows is the value of scheme. Everyone knows TJ Watt is a beast and his pass rush win rate leads the NFL so how is it possible he isn't doubled more. Well because the Steeler blitz a lot which naturally creates more one on ones.

It also shows the delusional of believing in Floyd. His win rate sucks and he is hardly doubled. He ultimately got a lot of sacks because of all the attention Donald gets as he is double teamed more than any other Inside Rusher.

Finally, it shows how terrible a scheme Pagano has. Robert Quinn also gets doubled more than Floyd and his pass rush win rate is still higher than Floyd's. So how is it that both Mack and Floyd face more double teams and win more of their pass rushes but Floyd has more sacks? Well outside of the Donald effect, there is the Pagano effect of him doing jack shit to get Mack or Quinn more one on one matchups as well as the ball being out in under 2.5 seconds because his scheme has CBs playing off too much.

 

[ChiKhan]

Well there are 5 guys that faced as much or more double teams as Mack with a higher Pass Rush win rate. Bosa, Garrett, Watt, Graham and Young. So he is 6th.

What this really shows is the value of scheme. Everyone knows TJ Watt is a beast and his pass rush win rate leads the NFL so how is it possible he isn't doubled more. Well because the Steeler blitz a lot which naturally creates more one on ones.

It also shows the delusional of believing in Floyd. His win rate sucks and he is hardly doubled. He ultimately got a lot of sacks because of all the attention Donald gets as he is double teamed more than any other Inside Rusher.

Finally, it shows how terrible a scheme Pagano has. Robert Quinn also gets doubled more than Floyd and his pass rush win rate is still higher than Floyd's. So how is it that both Mack and Floyd face more double teams and win more of their pass rushes but Floyd has more sacks? Well outside of the Donald effect, there is the Pagano effect of him doing jack shit to get Mack or Quinn more one on one matchups as well as the ball being out in under 2.5 seconds because his scheme has CBs playing off too much.

I was watching highlights of the bears saints game in the regular season. Highlights not even the full game and it was disgusting how much Quinn and Mack dropped into coverage.

 

[Enasic]

Yes we agree PFF is nowhere near a be all end all. Hence why I also mentioned the fact he made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro. So the point is we have PFF, coaches, other players and sports writers that disagree with the take that he is no longer good.

The biggest issue with Mack is Pagano. His scheme often times allows the QB to get rid of the ball before Mack can turn his top 10 in pressures into sacks because of the stupid off coverage and the limited blitzing.

If we get a more aggressive DC next year who blitzes and plays DBs tighter and Mack's sacks increase people will claim he has rediscovered his form which would be a lie. The form is still there. The issue is the scheme. See also the post below. Part of the reason Pagano's scheme is dumb is he allows Mack to get doubled more than he should. Blitzing more would create more one on one matchups so that Mack wouldn't get doubled as much.

Lol the pro bowl. Well then...

And where are you getting the "no longer good" part? I said he's still a very good player. He's just not as dominant as he was a couple of years ago and not the HoF level production the Bears expected when they traded two firsts and made him the highest paid defensive player in the league. He simply hasn't paid dividends I don't think it's really debatable.

 

[msadows]

Lol the pro bowl. Well then...

And where are you getting the "no longer good" part? I said he's still a very good player. He's just not as dominant as he was a couple of years ago and not the HoF level production the Bears expected when they traded two firsts and made him the highest paid defensive player in the league. He simply hasn't paid dividends I don't think it's really debatable.

Evidently Pagano's scheme allowed mack to get as many pressures last year as in 2018, but somehow his scheme is the reason mack only got two more than leonard floyd this year.

Makes sense.

Maybe mack just had a down year, and like you said, not as dominant as we're used to seeing him.

You shouldn't be 21st in pressures when you are paid that much.