Roquan Smith snubbed in All Pro Voting

[remydat]

Next Gen Stats, which debuted in the 2014 NFL season, consists of real-time, location-based data such as speed, acceleration and distance traveled, for all players, in all games. This unique information, alongside GSIS, is distributed by Sportradar to give fans a closer look into the game, and allows them to experience it in ways never seen before. Insights from Next Gen Stats also are available for fans in-stadium, at home and everywhere else that NFL content is consumed.

I'm sure you've heard of next gen stats. Right? Right?

It's even in Madden!

None of this is there pressure data dude. NFL.com has the NGS. They do not have their pressure data because they don't rely on it.

NFL 2024 Player Stats | passing Stats | NFL.com

Where do you say pressure data on the above. You can see NGS which does not include pressure data. No one uses that data in the NFL.

 

[remydat]

Holy fuck, you will literally never admit you are wrong. This is magical.

PFF is literally a bunch of guys like you watching a game and putting little checks in a box.

Sportsradar puts fucking microchips in the balls to track those stats.

But yes, keep defending PFF on literally everything.

How does a microchip in a ball track a QB pressure? Are you dumb? Again, please find an instance of an NFL team, coach or journalist quoting PFR's pressure stats.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

back to back down years and going into your age 30+ years will have people thinking that, for sure. Seems like 50% of the damage he’s done as a Bear came his first game lol

His down years have a lot to do with Pagano being a fucking moron. He's still been really good btw, but fangio or a decent DC would be maximizing his abilities

 

[msadows]

How does a microchip in a ball track a QB pressure? Are you dumb? Again, please find an instance of an NFL team, coach or journalist quoting PFR's pressure stats.

SMH.

The quantity of posts you make about PFF one would assume you're paid by them. Instead, it's the opposite.

Now you're debating against the official data partner of the nfl.

How does a microchip track a qb pressure? Not hard. You have a chip in a ball, you have a chip in every players shoulderpads.

You do the math.

Or I guess you can believe the random 300 pound balding dude who works for PFF because you don't want to feel dumb paying for it.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Holy fuck, you will literally never admit you are wrong. This is magical.

PFF is literally a bunch of guys like you watching a game and putting little checks in a box.

Sportsradar puts fucking microchips in the balls to track those stats.

But yes, keep defending PFF on literally everything.

This is gold coming from the guy who abandoned ship on a thread instead of admitting he was wrong.

 

[msadows]

You're right remy. They can trade the average separation of a defensive end from the QB, but they have zero way of tracking a pressure.

But PFF does.

/s

 

[Discus fish salesman]

SMH.

The quantity of posts you make about PFF one would assume you're paid by them. Instead, it's the opposite.

Now you're debating against the official data partner of the nfl.

How does a microchip track a qb pressure? Not hard. You have a chip in a ball, you have a chip in every players shoulderpads.

You do the math.

Or I guess you can believe the random 300 pound balding dude who works for PFF because you don't want to feel dumb paying for it.

You're such a fucking tool

 

[msadows]

You're such a fucking tool

Yes, I'm a tool because I'm telling remy PFF is trash when he brings it up in every thread.

You should be thanking me.

 

[remydat]

SMH.

The quantity of posts you make about PFF one would assume you're paid by them. Instead, it's the opposite.

Now you're debating against the official data partner of the nfl.

How does a microchip track a qb pressure? Not hard. You have a chip in a ball, you have a chip in every players shoulderpads.

You do the math.

Or I guess you can believe the random 300 pound balding dude who works for PFF because you don't want to feel dumb paying for it.

You never said anything about a chip in a shoulder pad. A pressure is when the QB has to throw the ball before he intended. There is no way a chip can determine that. You realize the defender, OL and ball can be in the same area but the chip cant tell if the defender is blocked or if he has beaten his man?

Your argument is stupid. And again I am not relying on PFF. I am realying on PFF, ESPN stats, coaches, players and sports writers all of whom say Mack is great.

You ironically stupidly claimed Floyd deserved an All Pro nod and using just one source ie PFR to back it up.

Do you realize Mack is doubled more tham Floyd? Do you realize Mack beats his man faster than Floyd?

Just a few weaks ago you were using pass rush win rate to bash Mack when he wasnt top 10. Now all of a sudden you dont trust it. You flip flop too much to be taken seriously.

Floyd has sub par double team rates. He has sub par pass rush win rates. He has sub par less pressures than Mack per PFF. Coaches, peers and sports writers think he is worse than Floyd. Yet MS in his infinite stupidty thinks he is aa deserving of an All Pro nod as Mack. Unbelievable.

 

[Tillman33]

His down years have a lot to do with Pagano being a fucking moron. He's still been really good btw, but fangio or a decent DC would be maximizing his abilities

That’s true, Pagano is terrible and Mack hasn’t looked the same since Fangio left

 

[Montucky]

Hes still really good.

But, unless I'm wrong and they changed it, the all pro team is based on 50 media members.

If you can't tell why having a big name factors in to it, IDK what to tell you.

Mack most def is still a probowl/all pro caliber player, you can argue he deserves it this year, this was just the worst year of his career as far as pressures go. That isn't debatable.

When you pay a guy a giant sum of cash you expect him to be top 5 in pressures and sack year in and year out.

I expect him to make game-changing plays and he simply has not done much of that this year. It is definitely a massive step down from 2018 when it seemed like every other week he would do something inhuman to win the Bears a game. In all my years of Bears fandom I dont think I ever saw a defensive force that dominant with such playmaking ability with the arguable exceptions of Mike Brown and Charles Tillman.

But that's been mostly absent the last two years. So I'm just not willing to indulge this notion that he's as good as he's always been but its just not as readily apparent. I also think he's been very effective in the run game, arguably the best edge player against the run I've watched this year across the league. But he needs to be making more play for the money the Bears have tied up in him. He needs to be winning the Bears games because he is getting paid at the level of quarterbacks.

 

[msadows]

You never said anything about a chip in a shoulder pad. A pressure is when the QB has to throw the ball before he intended. There is no way a chip can determine that. You realize the defender, OL and ball can be in the same area but the chip cant tell if the defender is blocked or if he has beaten his man?

Your argument is stupid. And again I am not relying on PFF. I am realying on PFF, ESPN stats, coaches, players and sports writers all of whom say Mack is great.

You ironically stupidly claimed Floyd deserved an All Pro nod and using just one source ie PFR to back it up.

Do you realize Mack is doubled more tham Floyd? Do you realize Mack beats his man faster than Floyd?

Just a few weaks ago you were using pass rush win rate to bash Mack when he wasnt top 10. Now all of a sudden you dont trust it. You flip flop too much to be taken seriously.

Floyd has sub par double team rates. He has sub par pass rush win rates. He has sub par less pressures than Mack per PFF. Coaches, peers and sports writers think he is worse than Floyd. Yet MS in his infinite stupidty thinks he is aa deserving of an All Pro nod as Mack. Unbelievable.

Ohh god.

You do realize all pro voting is decided by the media right?

This is how it all started. And here is how it ends. If you can't figure out why having a big name contributes to all pro voting, then I'm sorry. Go watch some more football instead of reading PFF articles.

 

[msadows]

I expect him to make game-changing plays and he simply has not done much of that this year. It is definitely a massive step down from 2018 when it seemed like every other week he would do something inhuman to win the Bears a game. In all my years of Bears fandom I dont think I ever saw a defensive force that dominant with such playmaking ability with the arguable exceptions of Mike Brown and Charles Tillman.

But that's been mostly absent the last two years. So I'm just not willing to indulge this notion that he's as good as he's always been but its just not as readily apparent. I also think he's been very effective in the run game, arguably the best edge player against the run I've watched this year across the league. But he needs to be making more play for the money the Bears have tied up in him. He needs to be winning the Bears games because he is getting paid at the level of quarterbacks.

He's still good, but not as good as he's paid. Like I said, leonard floyd had a similar impact on the games this year in the NFL and is paid a ton less....

Would you rather have Khalil Mack? Obviously, but to say it isn't a down year for him is crazy talk. The fact he didn't make all pro last year while having 50% more pressures, but made it this year, just really kinda proves my point.

 

[Montucky]

He certainly did not deserve all-pro. I do not see how that is really debatable if you have watched all the Bears games this year. Just watch Mack compared to his peers that the Bears have faced.

 

[remydat]

He's still good, but not as good as he's paid. Like I said, leonard floyd had a similar impact on the games this year in the NFL and is paid a ton less....

Would you rather have Khalil Mack? Obviously, but to say it isn't a down year for him is crazy talk. The fact he didn't make all pro last year while having 50% more pressures, but made it this year, just really kinda proves my point.

You didn't address a single question of mine.

Do you acknowledge Leonard Floyd was double teamed far less?

Do you acknowledge Leonard Floyd's pass rush win rate was far less?

Leonard Floyd did not have a similar impact on the games this year because Leonard Floyd isn't doubled. No one game plans to stop Leonard Floyd. They game plan to stop guys like Mack and Donald which is why Mack and Donald get doubled more and in so doing help their teammates.

A guy with more pressures who is also doubled teamed more impacts the game more than a guy who has less pressures and is facing more one on ones. This is obvious to anyone that understands football.

 

[msadows]

That’s true, Pagano is terrible and Mack hasn’t looked the same since Fangio left

He had the same amount of pressures in 2019 as he did in 2018. He just didn't finish for sacks.

Eddie Jackson had a 57.0 passer rating against in 2019. Arguably his best in pure pass coverage when you factor in how few INT's he had(1). Fangio was DC last time I check that year. This year it was 110. Basically doubled.

Buster skrine gave up a 91.8 passer rating against in 2019. This year? 125.

Eddie Goldman is out.

Robert quinn has 16 pressures this year, Floyd had 26 last year and everyone thought he was terribad.

JJ is playing about as well as Prince did last year. He's a rook, so I can't harp on him.

Lets not even start with Danny T.....

Yea, pagano is not anywhere near the playcaller or coach Fangio is, but the drastic decrease in play on this defense is an issue this year. All those players played well last year.

 

[fx1718]

He certainly did not deserve all-pro. I do not see how that is really debatable if you have watched all the Bears games this year. Just watch Mack compared to his peers that the Bears have faced.

Hes second team all pro.. Not that far of a stretch.

 

[msadows]

You didn't address a single question of mine.

Do you acknowledge Leonard Floyd was double teamed far less?

Do you acknowledge Leonard Floyd's pass rush win rate was far less?

Leonard Floyd did not have a similar impact on the games this year because Leonard Floyd isn't doubled. No one game plans to stop Leonard Floyd. They game plan to stop guys like Mack and Donald which is why Mack and Donald get doubled more and in so doing help their teammates.

A guy with more pressures who is also doubled teamed more impacts the game more than a guy who has less pressures and is facing more one on ones. This is obvious to anyone that understands football.

Who cares. You get paid to pressure and sack the qb.

Mack has 30 pressures, floyd has 28 pressures.

Thats all that matters.

 

[remydat]

You're right remy. They can trade the average separation of a defensive end from the QB, but they have zero way of tracking a pressure.

But PFF does.

/s

Average separation doesn't prove a pressure because it can't determine whether a QB stepped up into the pocket or whether the OL is still engaged with the defender and blocking him. This should be obvious.

Ohh god.

You do realize all pro voting is decided by the media right?

This is how it all started. And here is how it ends. If you can't figure out why having a big name contributes to all pro voting, then I'm sorry. Go watch some more football instead of reading PFF articles.

Not sure your point. You are just a meatball on a message board. Your opinion is no more valuable than the media's an even less so.

Further, I am not relying on the media. I am relying on the media, coaches, players, PFF, and ESPN stats. You are relying on your own opinion and PFR. That's it.

 

[Montucky]

Hes second team all pro.. Not that far of a stretch.

But a stretch none the less. And I know for fact all of the players who deserve such a distinction over Mack are not enjoying near the financial benefits Mack gets. Like it or not getting all-pro status makes a big difference at the negotiating table.