Royals Interested In Zambrano

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Team Chemistry comes with winning. That's why it has been missing. Winning comes with good players.

If a player can produce, so what if he bitches and moans? If the other 24 players let it affect them, that's really too bad, considering that they are adult men. They should be old enough to put people like that in their place when it is 24 vs. 1.

Maybe that is Theo's vision for the Cubs. I doubt it, but why does it matter? All I care about is winning.

Im sorry this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You obviously have never played sports.


One guy can ruin a whole team and team chemistry is key in winning. If I am Carlos Z teammate and I hate the guy I am not gonna play as hard for him as a guy who doesnt blame me for his own failures.

I take it you have never been part of a team before?
 

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB5-yJM3vJc[/ame]

Mike Singletary talking about Big Z
 

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Im sorry this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You obviously have never played sports.


One guy can ruin a whole team and team chemistry is key in winning. If I am Carlos Z teammate and I hate the guy I am not gonna play as hard for him as a guy who doesnt blame me for his own failures.

I take it you have never been part of a team before?

He does have a point though. You never hear about bad chemistry when a team is winning. It is always when a team is losing when chemistry is brought up. How many winning teams have "bad chemistry?" On the flip side, you can have the closest knit team ever, and if they don't have any talent, they aren't winning a thing.
 

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And although I love Mike Singletary, what did he win? Nothing. Because the players didn't produce.
 

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And although I love Mike Singletary, what did he win? Nothing. Because the players didn't produce.

He totally changed the culture in SAN Fran look at them this year. He got the short end of the straw he got the players to play hard but his best player Frank Gore was injured and the team was still competitive the lost a lot of close games. I think they would have a similar record if he was the coach this year that team is finally healthy.
 

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It's not about being upset, it's about affecting other guys like Aram, Castro, Byrd, Dempster etc.
 

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It seems like CO is arguing that Zambrano is a winner, and can still produce.

Zambrano isn't much of a winner, and isn't producing $18M worth of production.
 

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It seems like CO is arguing that Zambrano is a winner, and can still produce.

Zambrano isn't much of a winner, and isn't producing $18M worth of production.

Thats the thing even when Z produced he wasn't a winner the guy has always been a inning eater who would blow up or lose in the playoffs.


If Z had CC type stuff yes we try to keep him or trade him for good value but Z just sucks now and like always a huge distraction/ cancer.
 
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If Z comes back to the Cubs next year I wont watch any game he plays in. The ****** walked out on the team. If Theo really wants to change the culture no way he brings Z back that would be another ticking time bomb that will go off. The guys a cancer he better not come back. Or I will be disappointed in Theo a bit

It isnt about production I dont care if he has 25 win stuff next year. THE GUY QUIT ON HIS TEAM. If I was in charge he would never step foot in Wrigley again after what he did in Atlanta.

Yes and yes! I'm with you. :clap:

He's a cancer and not a team player. That's not the "Cubs Way" going forward. If you want to change the team for the better and raise morale in the clubhouse, get rid of this jackass.
 

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bleacherbum54 is so full of win in this thread.
 

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Baseball is a business. It doesn't matter what message it sends, if he can produce, that's all that matters.

I agree what he did was bad, but don't act like this is a game of feelings. It's a game of money.... insert moneyball joke here.

:lmao:

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No. Not even close.
 

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I want Kila for Big Z.

#wishfulthinking
 

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BUT, if we AREN'T going to try to win now (i.e. rebuild), Z producing would actually HURT the team overall, as it is better to get the higher draft pick if you aren't still playing in October.
 

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BUT, if we AREN'T going to try to win now (i.e. rebuild), Z producing would actually HURT the team overall, as it is better to get the higher draft pick if you aren't still playing in October.

If you consider the parallel plans idea, the Cubs would still want to generate interest by winning as many games as they can, but without having to spend too much money on the MLB team (which is flawed, obviously) in the short term. So spending money on Z to pitch for the Cubs would kill two birds with one stone...you get a guy who's already under contract who's been an adequate pitcher over the past couple seasons eating innings for you, and if he sucks, then the Cubs will get that draft pick anyway.
 

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KCR only want him if basically free...this is NO story
 

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Royals to have Interest in Carlos Zambrano |

According to David Kaplan, the Kansas City Royals will look into a Carlos Zambrano trade. But only if the price is right and if it’ll help the club now. Also, if it’ll help the team in the future. David Kaplan was told about the Royals having interest in Zambrano by Mark Carman of 610 Sports Radio. Carman talked to the Royals General Manager Dayton Moore.

Moore’s commets about pitcher Carlos Zambrano:
“We would have to be interested. We would have to explore it because that’s what you should do. You should explore every opportunity. Carlos Zambrano is a heckuva competitor. Carlos Zambrano has had a lot of success in the major leagues. Carlos Zambrano is actually a very pleasant, easy going, classy person off the field. Sometimes, as with all of us the competitiveness takes over and brings out qualities in us that we are not proud of. Obviously the Cubs grew tired of some of his outbursts but I believe in our coaching staff and we’ll always take a chance and a risk on certain players. We’ll see how that particular situation unfolds.”

Also, Moore had to say this:
“He has a no-trade clause for 29 other teams so he is going to have to be comfortable wherever he goes and there is a lot of money attached to his deal. There is a vesting option that is a part of that worth $18 or 19 million going forward. We certainly wouldn’t want to put ourselves in a position where we have to honor a contract of that nature.”

Carlos Zambrano is due to make 18 million in 2012 and a 19.25 million vesting option in 2013. The 2013 vesting option will be guarantee if Zambrano finishes in the top 4 of the CY award during the 2012 season (doesn’t look likely).

I don’t see the Royals taking on half or most of the contract, but we never know. If the Cubs were to take on most or all of the contract, maybe the Cubs could get a better return. That does seem likely because I doubt the Cubs will pay most of the contract and get nothing in return. Another option could be…the Cubs don’t take on much of the contract and get almost nothing in return. Jed Hoyer mention last week that the Ricketts family will let the Cubs eat any contract that will better the team. So…we could see a trade that is the first option. Paying most of the contract and getting a better return. If the Cubs and Royals want to get tricky, both teams could make the trade bigger. The Cubs offering more pieces and so do the Royals. One guy I would love the Cubs to acquire is 3B/LF Alex Gordon; however, that does not seem likely as the Royals look like they want to win finally. Out of all 3 options I mentioned… I see the Cubs paying a majorty of the contract and getting better ‘spects in return. The Royals farm system ain’t bad.

It looks like the Royals are all about pitching right now as they made a trade for a pitcher yesterday. The Royals traded OF Melky Cabrera to the Giants for P Jonathan Sanchez and a minor league pitcher.

Buster Olney wrote that the Cubs are expected to deal with the Carlos Zambrano situation next week. Right now, Zambrano has been pitching for Venezuela.

About a month ago, we heard that Zambrano may go to Miami and re-up with friend Ozzie Guillen. As much as Guillen wants Zambrano, the Marlins front office really does not want Zambrano on their team. They already have Hanley Ramirez and doesn’t need another headcase. So… a Zambrano/Miami trade does not look likely anymore.

When Zambrano is said to be available, more teams are expected to have interest, states David Kaplan.

I see the Carlos Zambrano situation to be finalize sooner than later. My guess would be a trade, if it’s to the Royals or another team. I just can’t see Zambrano throwing another pitch in Cubbie Blue.
 

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