Royals Interested In Zambrano

[waldo7239117]

Sometimes stupidity just eludes use of words.

Nothing I said was stupid. It could happen if both teams work on it. We have seen it before. I'm not saying it will happen because I doubt it will.

 

[daddies3angels]

Cubs be STUPID to give a team tons of money for Z. Cubs might as well let Z pitch this year. Z cant do anything stupid and must have a good year since its his FA year. I rather Theo keep Z and hope he has good 1st halve and deal him for specs rather then Cubs pay another team to have him

 

[brett05]

If you consider the parallel plans idea, the Cubs would still want to generate interest by winning as many games as they can, but without having to spend too much money on the MLB team (which is flawed, obviously) in the short term. So spending money on Z to pitch for the Cubs would kill two birds with one stone...you get a guy who's already under contract who's been an adequate pitcher over the past couple seasons eating innings for you, and if he sucks, then the Cubs will get that draft pick anyway.

Draft pick? I don't see Z as type a or b

 

[Rice Cube]

Draft pick? I don't see Z as type a or b

No no...they wouldn't offer Z arb anyway. What I meant was that if he sucks, the Cubs will suck anyway and will get a high draft pick.

 

[brett05]

No no...they wouldn't offer Z arb anyway. What I meant was that if he sucks, the Cubs will suck anyway and will get a high draft pick.

Oops. My bad

 

[Rice Cube]

No problem! This whole situation isn't as simple as "oooh, we hate Z, let's get rid of him" because of the size of the contract, the part where Z may have some positive value left even if he can't be traded, and a bunch of other factors that I'm probably not smart enough to think about right now.

 

[bleacherbum54]

No problem! This whole situation isn't as simple as "oooh, we hate Z, let's get rid of him" because of the size of the contract, the part where Z may have some positive value left even if he can't be traded, and a bunch of other factors that I'm probably not smart enough to think about right now.

I could care less about the contract more about the actions. If someone who made 500k per year did what has done in his tenure I would still want them gone.

 

[Rice Cube]

I could care less about the contract more about the actions. If someone who made 500k per year did what has done in his tenure I would still want them gone.

That's why you're not in charge.

 

[Uman85]

That's why you're not in charge.

Lol you're not either, thank God.

 

[Rice Cube]

Lol you're not either, thank God.

Yes, and guess what? That's a good thing. The good news is that there are actual competent people now in charge of the Cubs who aren't us. Which means they don't give a shit who you hate on the team or think is lazy, they'll do that analysis themselves and do what's best for the team.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that the hypothetical team I put together full of Zambranos and Ramirezes might just be better than the fan favorite team full of Darwin Barneys and Tony Campanas. Just a hunch though.

 

[Uman85]

Yes, and guess what? That's a good thing. The good news is that there are actual competent people now in charge of the Cubs who aren't us. Which means they don't give a shit who you hate on the team or think is lazy, they'll do that analysis themselves and do what's best for the team.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that the hypothetical team I put together full of Zambranos and Ramirezes might just be better than the fan favorite team full of Darwin Barneys and Tony Campanas. Just a hunch though.

What's best for the team is to not keep Zambrano. Anyone who argues that he should be kept because of his production, despite what he's done and how he affects the clubhouse obviously hasn't played a team sport before. You don't want a guy like that on your team. It's that simple.

 

[Rice Cube]

What's best for the team is to not keep Zambrano. Anyone who argues that he should be kept because of his production, despite what he's done and how he affects the clubhouse obviously hasn't played a team sport before. You don't want a guy like that on your team. It's that simple.

It's not that simple when he's been one of the best Cubs pitchers in their pathetic history and he makes that much money. It is a sunk cost, that's true. But the Z blowups and emotions have been going on even when the Cubs were good. This is a scapegoating because the team sucks and they need a lazy Latino hothead to blame. This is also the kind of attitude Jim Hendry had that basically torpedoed any trade value Z had left. You're talking about a productive pitcher in Carlos Zambrano, not a freakshow like Milton Bradley or a fatass like Carlos Silva. Those trades/releases made sense, and they were also the result of Hendry PR fails.

If you're talking about clubhouse chemistry, look at guys like Barry Bonds or Manny Ramirez. Assholes, but people put up with them. Why? Because they kill baseballs. Carlos Zambrano was a very good pitcher for a long time, but when the team started sucking and Z lost a few steps, that's when you saw all the bad clubhouse chemistry stories and the anger management and all that.

What is encouraging is that Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer probably won't think in as simple terms as you. There is still a chance that Carlos Zambrano can be an asset, and they'll exploit that asset in whatever way they deem is right, whether it's in a salary dump trade or letting him pitch as a Cub.

 

[Uman85]

It's not that simple when he's been one of the best Cubs pitchers in their pathetic history and he makes that much money. It is a sunk cost, that's true. But the Z blowups and emotions have been going on even when the Cubs were good. This is a scapegoating because the team sucks and they need a lazy Latino hothead to blame. This is also the kind of attitude Jim Hendry had that basically torpedoed any trade value Z had left. You're talking about a productive pitcher in Carlos Zambrano, not a freakshow like Milton Bradley or a fatass like Carlos Silva. Those trades/releases made sense, and they were also the result of Hendry PR fails.

If you're talking about clubhouse chemistry, look at guys like Barry Bonds or Manny Ramirez. Assholes, but people put up with them. Why? Because they kill baseballs. Carlos Zambrano was a very good pitcher for a long time, but when the team started sucking and Z lost a few steps, that's when you saw all the bad clubhouse chemistry stories and the anger management and all that.

What is encouraging is that Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer probably won't think in as simple terms as you. There is still a chance that Carlos Zambrano can be an asset, and they'll exploit that asset in whatever way they deem is right, whether it's in a salary dump trade or letting him pitch as a Cub.

Wow. Whatever, bro. I'm just a simple-minded idiot. So glad to be enlightened by a brilliant one like you. :bowrofl:

 

[Rice Cube]

Wow. Whatever, bro. I'm just a simple-minded idiot. So glad to be enlightened by a brilliant one like you. :bowrofl:

Well, I never said you were an idiot. I merely stated that it's not as simple as "I hate Z, he must go"...it just isn't that simple, although it's very likely that he's gone because Ricketts will probably eat the money or they'll do some salary dump trade. We'll see what happens.

 

[dabynsky]

I continued to be amazed with how much people care about the chemistry and/or culture of this team as if that is the reason this team has missed the playoffs three years in a row.

 

[Uman85]

I continued to be amazed with how much people care about the chemistry and/or culture of this team as if that is the reason this team has missed the playoffs three years in a row.

Yeah, that means nothing to a baseball team. What amazes me is the utter BS people will put up with because they love certain players so much.

The Cubs forum is full of know-it-alls. No wonder Poodski left and others either leave or stay away from it entirely.

 

[Rice Cube]

It's not that hard to understand :lol:

Good team + wins = good chemistry

Bad team + losses = bad chemistry

 

[Uman85]

It's not that hard to understand :lol:

Good team + wins = good chemistry

Bad team + losses = bad chemistry

Dempster has stated that he doesn't want Z around and that the team felt he wasn't a team player. If that's how they feel, it's stupid to bring him back. He's had time after time to rectify his reputation and relationship with the club and fails every single time. He's not worth what little production he would give at this point.

Two can play your little, "It's not that hard to understand :lol:" game.

 

[dabynsky]

Yeah, that means nothing to a baseball team. What amazes me is the utter BS people will put up with because they love certain players so much.

The Cubs forum is full of know-it-alls. No wonder Poodski left and others either leave or stay away from it entirely.

I thought winning and winning championships was the most important thing. Silly me. I forgot that it was more important for players to be warm and fuzzy. Silly me.

 

[Uman85]

I thought winning and winning championships was the most important thing. Silly me. I forgot that it was more important for players to be warm and fuzzy. Silly me.

Missing the point. Thanks for playing though.