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Missing the point. Thanks for playing though.
When you actually show how team chemistry has prevented this team from winning the past several seasons then you might have one...
When you actually show how team chemistry has prevented this team from winning the past several seasons then you might have one...
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In the grand scheme of things, having good players, good luck, and good performances greatly outweighs whatever chemistry these guys have.
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Any of you post on northsideball.com?
Dude thinks they could get Hosmer for him. :rofl:
Dude thinks they could get Hosmer for him. :rofl:
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If fans and ownership keep giving players like Z a pass we will probably stay the lovable losers. Cant believe people give Z a pass on what he has done.
He is way past his prime and still a cancer move along Z
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you cant win with the majority of your players being players like Carlos Zambrano
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Keeping a talented player that causes clubhouses issues is staying lovable losers, but paying a talented player 18 million a year to go away isn't?
How many games last year did Zambrano's off the field issues cost us last year?
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LOL You don't comprehend any logical points anyway.
Let's keep Z and Ramirez! World Series Champs!
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I'm a Cubs fan and that's funny. No way in hell. He has to be high.
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HE quit on his team he was a distraction the last 1/4 of the season a exact number no body knows. But im sure guys like Demp were sick of having to answer questions and BS about Z.
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Is there any point in arguing your completely unproveable statement.
My comment is the fact that according to your statement you wouldn't watch this team if Zambrano was on it. So even if this team was winning, you wouldn't watch them when Zambrano was pitching. Ergo, you care more about the culture of this team than winning. You can cloak in these blanket statements with zero empirical evidence behind them about culture preventing winning, but culture isn't why this team hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years. Lack of talent is.
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That's not really the point, but at one point, they were five outs away from the World Series and had won back-to-back division titles. But really, what have they done for us lately?
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Z was in his prime when we were 5 outs away from the WS plus he wasnt even close to our best pitcher or leader but he was good and at that point in his career had not quit on his team and wasnt a distraction..
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Carlos Zambrano is: a guy with a 9-7 record and an ERA close to 5, who has serious anger management issues, puts himself before the team and quits on them...then decides he still wants to play. Promises no more outbursts and has likely the biggest temper tantrum of his career by leaving the team while the game is still going on and says he's retiring.
But, that doesn't hurt the team at all. In fact, it's a positive he gave the Cubs 9 wins. What would the Cubs have done without those 9 wins?! My goodness! We should welcome him with open arms next year, because despite how poorly he acts and never lives up to his promises, he's a great member of the team.
Clueless to the max.
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But, that doesn't hurt the team at all. In fact, it's a positive he gave the Cubs 9 wins. What would the Cubs have done without those 9 wins?! My goodness! We should welcome him with open arms next year, because despite how poorly he acts and never lives up to his promises, he's a great member of the team.
Clueless to the max.
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You accuse me of missing the point earlier, but the statement I made was how much I amazed on the focus on the culture of this team. I am still waiting to hear any evidence that the culture of this team was the reason this team lost 90 games last year. I love the "logic" you used there to extend that to mean that I am arguing Z and Ramirez being kept will result in a World Series championship, which is what I care most about for this team.
And by the way I love that you accuse me of being unable to comprehend logic, but your posts directed at me throughout this thread have consisted purely of the logical fallacy of ad hominem.
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Zambrano ain't too bad. When his head is in the game, he could be a top pitcher. But people don't want him anymore because he's not a team player and he's a head case.
It would make no sense to give rid of him for nothing. I'd rather pay him the 18 million to play on the North side than on the FA market or another team. He's good for at least 15 wins. I can guarantee that. Just look at what he did after the all-star a year befor lasts. Stats do tell what a pitcher can do.
Trade Z for something that will make sense or keep him istead of just giving him away, to do so. .
It would make no sense to give rid of him for nothing. I'd rather pay him the 18 million to play on the North side than on the FA market or another team. He's good for at least 15 wins. I can guarantee that. Just look at what he did after the all-star a year befor lasts. Stats do tell what a pitcher can do.
Trade Z for something that will make sense or keep him istead of just giving him away, to do so. .
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Yeah, that's the only thing I was arguing, is that he still can be an asset whether people think he's a time bomb or not. You don't just eat $18MM when you have options.
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This would sum up my attitude towards Zambrano. He isn't a good team mate. He is overpaid for his production. It would be great if we could wave a magic wand and not have to pay Zambrano 18 million next year. But that is not the case. The argument then is what is better for the team. Paying Zambrano to play elsewhere for nothing or keeping him. The best option for this team would be to get any amount of salary relief and some prospects back for him, but that doesn't appear to be a very realistic option. So between spending 18 million for Z to pitch for the Cubs or someone else what makes this team better going forward?
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My favorite teams
Do you know what else makes no sense? :tiptoe:
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Yeah, you and your dumb posts.
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I think you two should get a room and make love already :lol: goodness.