Rumor: Garza to Padres for Rizzo

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The problem is that to get talent you have to give up talent in the first place. [/B] I would love to be able to move Marmol to get this kind of package or Zambrano or Dempster. Unforunately none of those guys have close to the value of Garza.

what about trading pena, marmol, and another piece?

san diego lacks serious power hitters..and pena would fit the 1B void..only issue is he doesnt have alot of value
 

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Maybe they should sign Tim Tebow to pitch.
 

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what about trading pena, marmol, and another piece?

san diego lacks serious power hitters..and pena would fit the 1B void..only issue is he doesnt have alot of value

Carlos Pena is a free agent right now. The Padres just traded for Alonso who can only play 1st, which is the only reason Anthony Rizzo is available right now. The Padres have no reason to trade Rizzo unless they are getting something of a high caliber back. That is really why Garza makes a lot of sense.
 

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Carlos Pena is a free agent right now. The Padres just traded for Alonso who can only play 1st, which is the only reason Anthony Rizzo is available right now. The Padres have no reason to trade Rizzo unless they are getting something of a high caliber back. That is really why Garza makes a lot of sense.

damn..thats right....pena would make a lot of sense in that trade

i just hate the trade because it kills our pitching for a good while

unless zam returns to 08 form
 

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I really hope we get Hudson. He's been a favorite of mine for a long time. Garza for Hudson and Rizzo would solve both 1st and 2nd base. Now, we'll go nowhere without an adequate starting rotation, but nobody expected them to win the World Series in 2012.

I like Orlando Hudson as well as a guy with a solid glove at 2B and a little speed. However, the Cubs ought to get a lot more than Hudson and Rizzo for Garza. The Padres would give you Orlando Hudson since he is due 5.5 million next year and has a 2 million dollar buyout of an 8 million club option. The Padres want to trade Hudson's 7 million to offset the likely 8 million Garza is going to get in a deal.
 

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How about Headley, Rizzo, Hudson and another prospect for Garza and Marmol. :D
 

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damn..thats right....pena would make a lot of sense in that trade

i just hate the trade because it kills our pitching for a good while

unless zam returns to 08 form

I doubt the Padres would have interest in Pena, even if the Cubs could trade him, since they got Alonso though. I understand not wanting to part with a quality starter that is under 30 and under team control for 2 more seasons. Unforunately those very things we like about him is what is going to allow us to get a guy like Rizzo and more back. If the Cubs can get another arm that profiles as a top of the rotation guy along with a middle of the order bat in Rizzo, that is a deal to you have to think long and hard about making.
 

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How about Headley, Rizzo, Hudson and another prospect for Garza and Marmol. :D

I've seen that idea floated in a few places, but the only thing that I've read implied that Headley's name hadn't come up in a deal. I am guessing that having Ian Stewart combined with the price tag on Headley makes it unlikely.
 

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Hudson is minimally better than Barney and like 8 years older. His age and contract sound more like a burden than an asset in comparison.
 

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I doubt the Padres would have interest in Pena, even if the Cubs could trade him, since they got Alonso though. I understand not wanting to part with a quality starter that is under 30 and under team control for 2 more seasons. Unforunately those very things we like about him is what is going to allow us to get a guy like Rizzo and more back. If the Cubs can get another arm that profiles as a top of the rotation guy along with a middle of the order bat in Rizzo, that is a deal to you have to think long and hard about making.

this is the crucial part...i wouldnt make that deal unless you know that you can get pitching in return from the padres or you have a FA or trade in mind to get some
 

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I like the three-team trade idea. So does Anno:

Rumors of a Garza Trade for Anthony Rizzo | World Series Dreaming

In this scenario, Texas gets Garza as they wanted around the Winter Meetings before the talks fizzled. Cubs get Rizzo, and both the Cubs and Padres get a split pot of prospects from Texas.

Might work. Don't know how desperate Texas is though. I don't think any of these teams are in a hurry anyway.
 

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Hudson is minimally better than Barney and like 8 years older. His age and contract sound more like a burden than an asset in comparison.

Hudson is a salary dump that the Padres would be glad to be rid of, and while overpaid I think Hudson could bring value. That said for taking that contract the Cubs need to get value.

Two more updates from bleachnation add this:
UPDATE II: The Cubs are still in active discussions with the Padres, I’m told, but it’s pretty complicated when you’ve got this many parts involved. The Cubs’ most valuable piece is Matt Garza, but the Padres may prefer to get the prospect-equivalent of Garza, rather than the pitcher, himself. That means a third team is necessary, and the Rangers have been involved. Bringing in a third team makes completing an already “complicated” deal a real “pain” (not my words). The two/three sides will continue to discuss a deal until they reach an agreement or seem hopelessly gridlocked. These things tend to take on a life of their own, and the deal could evolve into yet another incarnation. Or, it could just wilt on the vine. With this many players involved and such high stakes, I couldn’t say a deal is more than 50/50 to get done. You’ve also got the Prince Fielder pursuit and Yu Darvish post as a backdrop for these discussions, which only complicates things further. I’m doing my best to get the most complete and reliable information I can, but, given the circumstances and the moving parts, you can understand how the best I can give you is: (1) they’re talking, (2) a trade might be completed soon, (3) or a trade might be completed in a week, and (4) or a trade might be completed never.

UPDATE III: I’m told the biggest hold up, from the Cubs’ perspective, is making sure they get the right pitchers/pitching prospects included in the deal. While Rizzo may have been the impetus for the discussions, the Cubs don’t appear to be interested in moving Garza unless some very, very good pitchers/pitching prospects are included. That is to say, Rizzo may not necessarily be “the centerpiece” of a completed deal, such as there is a centerpiece, and such as the sides are actually able to consummate a deal (which, again, remains very much in doubt).
The 3 way trade scenario seems the most likely scenario to me. Though I suppose I could see the Padres making a deal with the Cubs for Matt Garza, and making a move closer to the deadline if the market isn't there now.
 

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this is the crucial part...i wouldnt make that deal unless you know that you can get pitching in return from the padres or you have a FA or trade in mind to get some

The update from Bleachernation makes it appear very much like the Cubs will only move Garza for the right pitching prospects included with Rizzo.
 

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This is still dumb. Cubs might as well put a bow on Castro and give him to the Yankees while their at it.
 

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This is still dumb. Cubs might as well put a bow on Castro and give him to the Yankees while their at it.

I would like to see what these guys are doing to make the Cubs better right now?

I know we need to build for future success, but I need a reason to watch all season.
 

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I would like to see what these guys are doing to make the Cubs better right now?

I know we need to build for future success, but I need a reason to watch all season.

For real. So far I am barely looking forward to the season and that's sad. Cubs season is my favorite time of year. If they have Garza on the block it almost makes no sense to even attempt to get Fielder.
 

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For real. So far I am barely looking forward to the season and that's sad. Cubs season is my favorite time of year. If they have Garza on the block it almost makes no sense to even attempt to get Fielder.

I think the goal is to get Rizzo as a cheaper, younger, and defensively better version of Fielder who will have power potential. There's more than one way to build a team.
 

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I think the goal is to get Rizzo as a cheaper, younger, and defensively better version of Fielder who will have power potential. There's more than one way to build a team.

I get that, but why am I watching in 2012 after June?
 
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