Rumor: Garza to Padres for Rizzo

[Mr. Cub]

I think the goal is to get Rizzo as a cheaper, younger, and defensively better version of Fielder who will have power potential. There's more than one way to build a team.

But our pitching is already depleted as is. Losing Garza would just make that hole bigger. And I believe pitching is most important to winning baseball. We should be looking to get more pitching, not giving it away.

 

[tbo41fan]

Rizzo is legit...ive seen him play here in tucson for the padres AAA team

 

[Rice Cube]

But our pitching is already depleted as is. Losing Garza would just make that hole bigger. And I believe pitching is most important to winning baseball. We should be looking to get more pitching, not giving it away.

I don't believe that they would trade Garza straight up for Rizzo. I believe they'll do it only if they got top pitching prospects back, possibly ones who are MLB ready.

This probably means the trade rumor is most likely just a rumor and won't happen. I blogged about it on the previous page for anyone interested.

If you guys don't want to watch the Cubs, that's your choice. I merely follow them because it's a hobby and I happen to like baseball very much.

 

[X]

But our pitching is already depleted as is. Losing Garza would just make that hole bigger. And I believe pitching is most important to winning baseball. We should be looking to get more pitching, not giving it away.

That's why they're saying that Rizzo's good and all, but they'll need a pitching prospect to come back in the deal.

 

[85Bears4life]

Is rizzo Major League ready or will we sign a stop gap 1st baseman?

(if not fielder)

 

[Rice Cube]

Is rizzo Major League ready or will we sign a stop gap 1st baseman?

(if not fielder)

He's probably close. If not Fielder or Rizzo, they'll probably just use LaHair or re-sign Pena. They probably are still thinking about draft picks too, which means they might not pursue Fielder (costs a second-round pick) or bring Pena back (comp sandwich round pick).

 

[Mr. Cub]

I don't believe that they would trade Garza straight up for Rizzo. I believe they'll do it only if they got top pitching prospects back, possibly ones who are MLB ready.

This probably means the trade rumor is most likely just a rumor and won't happen. I blogged about it on the previous page for anyone interested.

If you guys don't want to watch the Cubs, that's your choice. I merely follow them because it's a hobby and I happen to like baseball very much.

But why gamble on prospects when Garza is already pretty young and an established top notch pitcher? Sometimes I guess I just can't understand why teams do what they do. I will check out your blog.

 

[Rice Cube]

But why gamble on prospects when Garza is already pretty young and an established top notch pitcher? Sometimes I guess I just can't understand why teams do what they do. I will check out your blog.

At some point, someone has to do the gambling on prospects. Everyone was a prospect once. One of the most important parts of the Theo plan was to re-establish a system where the Cubs would produce their own talent instead of relying on other teams' talent. This is sort of a derivative of that plan where they would use their established guy to acquire younger, cheaper guys who have upside. It's not exactly palatable for fans, but it might be necessary to put the Cubs on solid ground going forward. Garza is an interesting case in that he can be valuable either on or off the Cubs. As I said above, I don't think Garza is going to be traded for Rizzo straight up. The Cubs are going to want more, and that "more" may include something exciting to look forward to.

And it's also entirely possible that the Padres (or Rangers if it's a three-way) don't want to give "more" so Garza will stay and make Cubs fans happy.

 

[Mr. Cub]

At some point, someone has to do the gambling on prospects. Everyone was a prospect once. One of the most important parts of the Theo plan was to re-establish a system where the Cubs would produce their own talent instead of relying on other teams' talent. This is sort of a derivative of that plan where they would use their established guy to acquire younger, cheaper guys who have upside. It's not exactly palatable for fans, but it might be necessary to put the Cubs on solid ground going forward. Garza is an interesting case in that he can be valuable either on or off the Cubs. As I said above, I don't think Garza is going to be traded for Rizzo straight up. The Cubs are going to want more, and that "more" may include something exciting to look forward to.

And it's also entirely possible that the Padres (or Rangers if it's a three-way) don't want to give "more" so Garza will stay and make Cubs fans happy.

Yeah, I agree. And I see where Theo and Co. are coming from wanting to build the team up in all facets of the organization, but trading established players still in their prime for unknowns is not for me I guess haha I am not a gambling man I suppose. Maybe if we can trade prospects for prospects or other veteran players, sure. Maybe it's because I like Garza so I hope we keep him around.

 

[DewsSox79]

Rizzo is legit...ive seen him play here in tucson for the padres AAA team

You dont know what he can do at the MLB level. A lot of guys rake in the minors and fizzle as an MLB player. Trading garza is a move that shows that the cubs have zero interest in 2012, but would rather take chances on prospects by building.

 

[inactiveuser1]

Don't do it :nope: IMO we need garza ALOT more than people think

 

[Pepe Silvia]

What do we need Garza for? To waste his prime on a sub-par team? This team is going nowhere fast as currently constructed. Might as well trade him if you can get young, major league ready players. If we could get Rizzo and a top pitching prospect as the centerpiece, along with a couple other spects, I say do it.

The Garza trade made no sense in the first place as the team did not plan on contending last year. Now Hoystein needs to correct Hendry's incompetence. Everyone wants to see the Cubs win but are not willing to do the dirty work to build a solid foundation. Keeping Garza and signing Fielder will not make us a contender, it'll just keep a pitcher with a 3.50 era at a sub .500 record and inflate Fielders OBP to .450 when he gets walked every other at bat because he has no protection in the lineup.

If they could get Fielder, Darvish, Cespedes, keep Garza, and trade for a big bat to offer Fielder protection, then try to compete now. But I don't see that happening.

Might as well trade Garza at peak value and get some pieces to build along with Castro, Jackson, Cash, and McNutt. Then go and get Cespedes/Soler. Hell, maybe we could even convince Texas to take Soriano to DH in a trade if we take on salary but get some more prospects back.

 

[tbo41fan]

You dont know what he can do at the MLB level. A lot of guys rake in the minors and fizzle as an MLB player. Trading garza is a move that shows that the cubs have zero interest in 2012, but would rather take chances on prospects by building.

Isn't that what drafting and minor leaguers are all about? Your speculating on what he will do in the majors

in limited time this past year he wasnt really good, but you take the risk on someone like Rizzo

plus, it wont be rizzo for garza straight up, we will get 2-3 specs, and for a rebuilding team, thats smart

Don't do it :nope: IMO we need garza ALOT more than people think

To do what exactly?

 

[Koz]

I see Garza as a guy who is going to cost us a lot of money to try to resign in 2014. Maybe not CJ Wilson money, but not far from it. We only control him for 2 more seasons, one of which is going to be the 2012 rebuilding year. If you can some solid prospects in return, I think you have to trade him.

 

[waldo7239117]

Rizzo is ready for the MLB, but I don't see a trade happening. Too many obstacles for a trade to be completed.

 

[bbaker]

If for whatever reasons this trade happens, I'll be able to live with it. Like many have said before me, if you get a chance to get Rizzo, you take him. If they truly want to go into re-building mode, do it now.

I've lived through plenty of shitty years for the Cubs but knowing that them being horrible is for the best in the future, I'm all for it. A few more seasons of bad baseball isn't that bad. I'm hoping for a few playoff runs though after it. :lol:

 

[Captain Obvious]

I say go hard after Fielder and if the Rangers win, trade Garza for Rizzo++, and sign Cepedes.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Anthony Rizzo of the San Diego Padres - YouTube

Video of Rizzo

 

[Uman85]

I see Garza as a guy who is going to cost us a lot of money to try to resign in 2014. Maybe not CJ Wilson money, but not far from it. We only control him for 2 more seasons, one of which is going to be the 2012 rebuilding year. If you can some solid prospects in return, I think you have to trade him.

If the price is right, sell. If the Cubs aren't going to get back a pretty good haul for him, I'd keep him. By the time his current contract is up, the Cubs very well may be in contention and he'd be an important key for a WS run.

 

[WindyCity]

I don't really care about Rizzo.

If we are trading Garza we need to get some top pitching prospects back in return, because that is where we are hurting.

Give me 2-3 top pitching prospects that we can develop over the next couple of years.