Rumor: Garza to Padres for Rizzo

[Cloud 9]

Mehh, If we're really going into total rebuild mode I wanna rob San Diego blind. I'd want Rizzo and 2 to 3 high upside arms from the Padres system. I like Garza going forward, but I would'nt be against cashing in on him if we can do it right.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'd prefer the 1st baseman since that's what the Cubs need the most in terms of position players.

i agree..go for a deal in which you get back a young and/or competent 1B along with prospects and/or a solid RHP

i hate the idea of garza leaving(though i'm beginning to think that it could be beneficial) but the garza deal needs to include pitching..because garza leaves a hole in the rotation that needs to filled atleast in some aspect(im not meaning necessarily a top pitcher in the rotation..but atleast a pitcher who can help out)

 

[tbo41fan]

I still really want this trade to happen

 

[Captain Obvious]

The more I think about it, the more I agree. I'm really liking me some Rizzo. But I think we can get him without giving up Garza. If we do get Garza, we need to get at least another top 10 spec and then another piece.

 

[tbo41fan]

Doubt we get back what we gave up for Garza

What i would do...

Garza and cash for Rizzo, 2 mid specs

 

[DewsSox79]

The more I think about it, the more I agree. I'm really liking me some Rizzo. But I think we can get him without giving up Garza. If we do get Garza, we need to get at least another top 10 spec and then another piece.

right, they will hand him over for a player like randy wells or something right????? who did you have in mind, im curious

 

[bleacherbum54]

right, they will hand him over for a player like randy wells or something right????? who did you have in mind, im curious

to him Randy Wells is a god he is probably our only untouchable because he is "value" LOL.

Wells is garbage just like 90% of our team and farm system

 

[Captain Obvious]

right, they will hand him over for a player like randy wells or something right????? who did you have in mind, im curious

I had had in mind Sean Marshall for Rizzo+. Now that Marshall isn't on the team, I think we could see Wells+ go for Rizzo+. Rizzo's value dropped, but so has Randy Wells' now that he has hit arby. A lot of it depends on Wells' estimated cost in arby. The Pads could want him to boost his numbers in Petco, then trade him to another team. If we did get Rizzo for Wells straight up, I'd be surprised. I could see James Russell & Wells go for Rizzo and a pitching prospect.

 

[nwfisch]

I had had in mind Sean Marshall for Rizzo+. Now that Marshall isn't on the team, I think we could see Wells+ go for Rizzo+. Rizzo's value dropped, but so has Randy Wells' now that he has hit arby. A lot of it depends on Wells' estimated cost in arby. The Pads could want him to boost his numbers in Petco, then trade him to another team. If we did get Rizzo for Wells straight up, I'd be surprised. I could see James Russell & Wells go for Rizzo and a pitching prospect.

What??

Are you on drugs?

There is no way that deal would work unless you had...

Spoiler

 

[WindyCity]

I would really like to see us work a salary dump into the Garza trade.

Maybe send Garza + Soriano + A Ton of Cash to the Yankees for a couple of top prospects.

 

[Rice Cube]

I had had in mind Sean Marshall for Rizzo+. Now that Marshall isn't on the team, I think we could see Wells+ go for Rizzo+. Rizzo's value dropped, but so has Randy Wells' now that he has hit arby. A lot of it depends on Wells' estimated cost in arby. The Pads could want him to boost his numbers in Petco, then trade him to another team. If we did get Rizzo for Wells straight up, I'd be surprised. I could see James Russell & Wells go for Rizzo and a pitching prospect.

Except for the part where the Cubs would be dealing with Josh Byrnes and not Walt Jocketty...Walt severely overpaid for Sean Marshall. I doubt Byrnes does the same with a middle reliever or a #5 starter in Wells.

 

[Captain Obvious]

What??

Are you on drugs?

There is no way that deal would work unless you had...

Spoiler

Except for the part where the Cubs would be dealing with Josh Byrnes and not Walt Jocketty...Walt severely overpaid for Sean Marshall. I doubt Byrnes does the same with a middle reliever or a #5 starter in Wells.

What do you guys honestly think Rizzo is worth? Byrnes has no leverage now that they have Alonso. Rizzo isn't going to net them that much. Wells & Russell are guys that Byrnes should target, they are cheap and in Petco their numbers would be really really good. That's what the Padres are kind of known for, trading pitchers whose numbers look good... when in reality they aren't that good.

But I'm still curious as to what you guys think it would cost to get Rizzo. Keep in mind that he is blocked big time & the Pads have NO leverage.

 

[Rice Cube]

Of course the Padres have leverage. Rizzo is 22 years old next season. They can wait for a better offer. They could trade Alonso instead. They always have options.

I think the third team scenario makes the most sense. Give Garza to a third team who can afford him and need him in a contending year, third team gives prospects back to both the Padres and Cubs, and Cubs get Rizzo.

 

[dabynsky]

What do you guys honestly think Rizzo is worth? Byrnes has no leverage now that they have Alonso. Rizzo isn't going to net them that much. Wells & Russell are guys that Byrnes should target, they are cheap and in Petco their numbers would be really really good. That's what the Padres are kind of known for, trading pitchers whose numbers look good... when in reality they aren't that good.

But I'm still curious as to what you guys think it would cost to get Rizzo. Keep in mind that he is blocked big time & the Pads have NO leverage.

How do the Padres have no leverage? It isn't like they have to trade Rizzo this year. It isn't going to kill Rizzo to play another year in AAA since a pretty strong case could be made that he ought to start the year there anyway. The Cubs in all likelihood would start Rizzo in AAA if they got him like they are doing with Brett Jackson. A top 50 prospect like Rizzo isn't going to be dumped just because he is blocked at the major league level.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Except for the part where the Cubs would be dealing with Josh Byrnes and not Walt Jocketty...Walt severely overpaid for Sean Marshall. I doubt Byrnes does the same with a middle reliever or a #5 starter in Wells.

ya no way we get close to the same value for wells that we got with marshall

and yes the padres do have leverage....they have a young attractive product in rizzo that other teams might be looking at...they can find better offers than wells certainly

 

[Captain Obvious]

Of course the Padres have leverage. Rizzo is 22 years old next season. They can wait for a better offer. They could trade Alonso instead. They always have options.

I think the third team scenario makes the most sense. Give Garza to a third team who can afford him and need him in a contending year, third team gives prospects back to both the Padres and Cubs, and Cubs get Rizzo.

I really think that you're underestimating what the Latos trade did to Rizzo's stock. Yes, he will be 22 years old. However, no one is going to give up much(Garza) for a guy who can be had for less. I think it is silly to think that Garza is worth Rizzo.

Byrnes has said that Rizzo will likely be traded because that's the business. Plus, you have to figure in that the Pads asked for Cashner/Jackson for Headley. Headley is a far superior player to Rizzo at a weak offensive position. Cashner for Rizzo is overpaying. I think Wells & Russell is about right for Rizzo.

 

[Captain Obvious]

How do the Padres have no leverage? It isn't like they have to trade Rizzo this year. It isn't going to kill Rizzo to play another year in AAA since a pretty strong case could be made that he ought to start the year there anyway. The Cubs in all likelihood would start Rizzo in AAA if they got him like they are doing with Brett Jackson. A top 50 prospect like Rizzo isn't going to be dumped just because he is blocked at the major league level.

Perhaps no leverage is a bit of an exaggeration, but I think you guys are underestimating how big of a hit their leverage took with the Yonder deal.

 

[Rice Cube]

I don't think any of us were ever suggesting that they'd trade Garza straight up for just Rizzo. They'd obviously try to rip some other prospects away.

The reason this trade won't happen as is, is partly due to the value argument as well as organizational priority. It doesn't make sense to take on an expensive pitcher when the Padres are in a small market and are in the midst of a rebuild. That's why the third team scenario was suggested.

 

[Rice Cube]

The other rumor is that the Padres would've done the flipping of Garza after acquisition, so why let them have all the reward when the Cubs can do some of the flipping themselves?

 

[nwfisch]

What do you guys honestly think Rizzo is worth? Byrnes has no leverage now that they have Alonso. Rizzo isn't going to net them that much. Wells & Russell are guys that Byrnes should target, they are cheap and in Petco their numbers would be really really good. That's what the Padres are kind of known for, trading pitchers whose numbers look good... when in reality they aren't that good.

But I'm still curious as to what you guys think it would cost to get Rizzo. Keep in mind that he is blocked big time & the Pads have NO leverage.

The Padres aren't giving up a top 50 prospect for a 5th starter and crappy reliever.

I would think it would cost Garza, but I would expect the Cubs to fleece a pitching prospect or 2 out of the deal.

And LOL at the Padres having no leverage on their top prospect.