Ryan Dempster trade thread -UPDATE- No one knows what the **** is going on

[dabynsky]

This would probably have been a lot easier if Atlanta had known to STFU. It could be a ploy to get the wheels moving by the Braves, force the Cubs and Dempster to fast-track. Too bad it backfired.

Yeah that theory has been floated, but I think it is more just that someone in the Braves FO misread how willing Dempster was to accept a deal to Atlanta. I think Dempster had given an initial okay that Atlanta would be a place that he would consider and the Braves assumed with their clubhouse and connections to Dempster that he would accept. Dempster talked about happy to be the hammer in the situation and probably was upset to be made the nail again. Either way blaming Atlanta is going to be my default position if this falls through.

 

[85Bears4life]

 

[dabynsky]

Well Rosenthal is all in on the theory I feared the most:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-ryan-dempster-does-not-want-trade-atlanta-braves-los-angeles-dodgers-072412

 

[Jntg4]

****.

 

[dabynsky]

Not panicing dispite Rosenthal's article under the picture says Dempster blocked the trade. I take no official to report to be nothing official. If he rejected a trade that would be something official to report.

 

[whitesoxman77]

Unfortunately Demp just fucked himself over and gave the Dodgers leverage to offer worse players instead of better ones

 

[dabynsky]

Unfortunately Demp just fucked himself over and gave the Dodgers leverage to offer worse players instead of better ones

What he did does nothing to hurt him unless he really wanted to play on a team with a shot at the postseason this year. The odds of getting anything from the Dodgers goes way down if the Braves deal is vetoed.

 

[Rice Cube]

The alternative if the Cubs don't convince Dempster to go to ATL is to tell him that he's being kept and will be offered arbitration at the end of the year. Draft pick > scrubs in my opinion. But that carries its own risk.

 

[dabynsky]

The alternative if the Cubs don't convince Dempster to go to ATL is to tell him that he's being kept and will be offered arbitration at the end of the year. Draft pick > scrubs in my opinion. But that carries its own risk.

I agree. I think the odds of him getting dealt at all goes way down if he vetoes this deal.

 

[Rice Cube]

I agree. I think the odds of him getting dealt at all goes way down if he vetoes this deal.

So Dempster is left with the following choices...

1. Stay a Cub with little to no chance of coming back this offseason because they want the pick;

2. Assuming ATL didn't force that proposed extension, just go to ATL and then maybe he can come back to Chicago.

The Cubs hold a bit of leverage still. Would be nice if the trade went through, but that's 10/5 for ya and there's nothing anyone can do about it except for Ryan Dempster.

 

[dabynsky]

If Dempster vetoes this trade this is a devastating blow.

 

[Rice Cube]

If Dempster vetoes this trade this is a devastating blow.

It'd be pretty annoying, for sure.

 

[dabynsky]

It'd be pretty annoying, for sure.

Seriously how is it anything less than a huge blow to this team given it finally had a valuable trade chip that it could cash in and then have that yanked from them. LA wasn't going to give up much to begin with and now they know it is either them or no where. The Cubs also lose a chance on help setting the market in this new trade market in a very positive way for sellers.

 

[85Bears4life]

@jaysonst Source says status of Dempster-to-Braves deal should be resolved "shortly." Meantime, Cubs still talking to both Braves&Dodgers
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[dabynsky]

Jayston Stark is saying that it will be resolved shortly with the Cubs talking to the Braves and Dodgers. My hope is that they are trying to get the Dodgers to up the offer and that when they don't they will say we can't work out a deal with the Dodgers pretty please go to the Braves.

 

[Rice Cube]

Seriously how is it anything less than a huge blow to this team given it finally had a valuable trade chip that it could cash in and then have that yanked from them. LA wasn't going to give up much to begin with and now they know it is either them or no where. The Cubs also lose a chance on help setting the market in this new trade market in a very positive way for sellers.

Because it hasn't actually happened yet, therefore there was nothing more than a theoretical positive. I get what you are saying, but the best I can be is annoyed because I know what might have been, but I don't know for sure that it would be.

 

[Rice Cube]

It's kind of like when the Tigers traded for Sanchez and Infante instead of Barney and Garza and I said "WTF" and then got over it. Shit happens. It is annoying that this theoretical positive may not happen (it still might, it might not) but that doesn't mean the Cubs are going to die a horrible death :lol: There's always alternatives even if they're not as awesome as the theoretical positive.

 

[2SeamHeat]

Seriously how is it anything less than a huge blow to this team given it finally had a valuable trade chip that it could cash in and then have that yanked from them. LA wasn't going to give up much to begin with and now they know it is either them or no where. The Cubs also lose a chance on help setting the market in this new trade market in a very positive way for sellers.

It makes 0 sense for him to veto the trade. He'll be going to a team that's probably headed to the playoffs for the second straight year. He's going to be a FA at the end of the year, and if he plays a vital role in the Braves reaching the postseason, it's only going to heighten his perceived value. It will also heighten the chances of him getting an extension from Atlanta before the end of the season... or at least this winter. It looks like both Hamels and Greinke are going to be taken off the market... and if the Brewers extend Greinke, I'd be surprised if they don't do the same with Marcum. This would mean that Dempster suddenly becomes one of the top 3-4 SPs available... and now has a recent record of helping a team to the playoffs.

It's a win-win-win situation. We get a building block for the rotation of the future... and possibly another arm. The Braves get a vet pitcher that's having an incredible season and whose leadership skills can provide a boost overall to their team. Dempster gets the chance to showcase himself on the big stage as a solid FA acquisition of this winter, thus having his value jump through the roof.

 

[dabynsky]

Because it hasn't actually happened yet, therefore there was nothing more than a theoretical positive. I get what you are saying, but the best I can be is annoyed because I know what might have been, but I don't know for sure that it would be.

While that might be the healthiest position to take, there is no way this many reputable people reported a trade for Dempster and Delgado didn't take place. The Cubs did have a chance to get a 22 year old pitcher with the upside of a 3 starter for the rental of Ryan Dempster. They might be able to get a deal that is close, but it is very hard to imagine a scenario where the Cubs get that much since most of us were shocked they got it from one team. The Cubs get hurt, a lot, if Dempster vetoes that trade and that isn't something that is imagined or pretend.

 

[2SeamHeat]

It's kind of like when the Tigers traded for Sanchez and Infante instead of Barney and Garza and I said "WTF" and then got over it. Shit happens. It is annoying that this theoretical positive may not happen (it still might, it might not) but that doesn't mean the Cubs are going to die a horrible death :lol: There's always alternatives even if they're not as awesome as the theoretical positive.

Sad thing with that scenario, Dombrowski said he wasn't going to trade Turner for a rental... and there's almost no chance that Sanchez doesn't hit the FA market this winter. Infante? Wow, talk about taking several steps back. They got rid of that schlub years ago for a reason.