Ryan Dempster trade thread -UPDATE- No one knows what the **** is going on

[Rice Cube]

You are right I would not behave like a child.

When I tell someone that I will do something I do it.

Fact: he went on the radio and said he wants to do what is best for the cubs.

Fact: he said he was okay being traded to the Braves.

Fact: he was traded to the Braves.

Why has this not happened?

Because he has collectively bargained rights and you can't make him.

 

[dabynsky]

[video=youtube;NU3g7XFCZFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU3g7XFCZFw[/video]

 

[dabynsky]

I don't know for certain for who is to blame, but why was not it perfectly clear that LA was the only place he wanted to go from the get go?

 

[WindyCity]

Because he has collectively bargained rights and you can't make him.

Tell me he is not going against what he said earlier?

Tell me he is has not lied to the Cubs and the Fans?

Collectively bargained rights are fine, just don't tell everyone you are okay with a trade then block it.

 

[dabynsky]

And as long as Dempster is considering a deal, I don't know how you can let him pitch.

 

[whitesoxman77]

Because he has collectively bargained rights and you can't make him.

We all know that but we are saying you can't say you'll do something and then not do it. Why tell the Cubs he wanted to go to ATL if he didn't?

 

[WindyCity]

I don't know for certain for who is to blame, but why was not it perfectly clear that LA was the only place he wanted to go from the get go?

Because he would look selfish saying that and he wants the apologetic Cubs fans to like him.

Dempster is presently hurting the Cubs, which upsets me.

 

[dabynsky]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/07/24/report-ryan-dempster-holding-out-for-trade-to-los-angeles-dodgers/comment-page-5/#comment-135058

UPDATE 7 (at 3:19pm CT): Dempster has finally spoken with the media, which quotes you can track from the beat guys on Twitter. He said he’s weighing his options, and plans on starting tomorrow for the Cubs. When asked if it’s 100% certain he starts tomorrow for the Cubs, he said that is his “mindset.” He wishes he had more options (translation: wishes a Dodgers deal was on the table), and he might take as much as a week to weigh the decision with his family. He wasn’t blindsided by the deal – the Cubs kept him informed. He was blindsided by the fact that the deal leaked to the media before he had a chance to decide. Dempster says he hasn’t made any decisions (in other words, he’s not formally blocking a trade to the Braves yet).

UPDATE 8 (at 3:22pm CT): Are the Cubs really going to let Dempster start tomorrow? I understand if Demp wants his time to think things over, but, since the world already knows he wants to go to the Dodgers, and only *might* go to the Braves, there is NOTHING to be gained by starting him tomorrow. There is only something to lose.

UPDATE 9 (at 3:26pm CT): This tweet from Paul Sullivan stings: “Demp: Decision ‘gets harder when something that wasn’t supposed to become public knowledge becomes public knowledge.’” And he’s right – if you don’t see why, just read the comments for all the anger and vitriol. Unrelatedly, and, as I suspected, Dempster is open to an extension, but isn’t asking for one as part of the process.

UPDATE 10 (at 3:30pm CT): I respect Dempster’s right to take his time making a decision, but the longer this drags out, it just hurts the Cubs in so many ways. Maybe the Braves decide to move on. Maybe teams want to wait on making a Garza offer until they know what’s happening with Dempster. Maybe the market shifts strongly downward as more teams start selling. Maybe Dempster gets hurt. This isn’t a worst case scenario quite yet, but this is just going horribly for the Cubs.

UPDATE 11 (at 3:43pm CT): Dempster can say he might take this decision up to the deadline, but that won’t happen – the Braves will pull the offer long before then, because they’ve got to figure out what they’re going to do. The Cubs probably can’t wait that long, either. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on here: the Cubs lined up a deal with the Braves after talks with the Dodgers fell through. It wasn’t final, and it wasn’t going to be announced. The Cubs were going to take it to Dempster, and Dempster was going to say, “well, can you try to get a deal to the Dodgers first?” And the Cubs would go to the Dodgers and try to beat the Delgado offer, or at least get a comparable deal (fat chance without Zach Lee – and fat chance on Zach Lee). But, since the story broke, Dempster and the Cubs were both put in a crappy spot. Dempster now looks like a bad guy, and the Cubs have no leverage with the Dodgers.

 

[Rice Cube]

We all know that but we are saying you can't say you'll do something and then not do it. Why tell the Cubs he wanted to go to ATL if he didn't?

Ask Ryan Dempster. And blame Atlanta for being a bunch of snitches.

 

[dabynsky]

And reports out of Atlanta confirm what we already logically know that the Braves are actively looking at other options, and that offer could be gone well before Dempster makes a decision. Wouldn't be shocked if this is what Dempster was planning to do to not be the bad guy and say no.

 

[Rice Cube]

And reports out of Atlanta confirm what we already logically know that the Braves are actively looking at other options, and that offer could be gone well before Dempster makes a decision. Wouldn't be shocked if this is what Dempster was planning to do to not be the bad guy and say no.

I'm sure most of Cub fandom has already decided who the bad guy is. Unfortunate, but that's instant-media for ya.

 

[dabynsky]

While I can feel bad for Dempster being put in this spot and perhaps Atlanta is a bit nefarious after all given that we've learned that LAD is a strong preference for Dempster. But I don't know how else to process the fact that my team has gotten screwed in this scenario unless the Cubs get a deal of equal value to Randall Delgado by the end of July 31st.

 

[Rice Cube]

While I can feel bad for Dempster being put in this spot and perhaps Atlanta is a bit nefarious after all given that we've learned that LAD is a strong preference for Dempster. But I don't know how else to process the fact that my team has gotten screwed in this scenario unless the Cubs get a deal of equal value to Randall Delgado by the end of July 31st.

It's very disappointing, but I guess we'll just have to move on and sharpen our pitchforks etc. etc.

 

[whitesoxman77]

I'm sure most of Cub fandom has already decided who the bad guy is. Unfortunate, but that's instant-media for ya.

I kind of think he is too blame though, the Cubs needed to trade him early so they could focus on entertaining offers for Garza everyone knew a trade was to be expected earlier than the July 31st trade deadline.

But I do have to say this seeing Kerry Wood and Demp love the Cubs so much that they are basically attached to them does make me think more highly of the Cubs as an organization, I still loathe them, but you gotta respect a team whose players have so much love for the team

 

[Rice Cube]

I kind of think he is too blame though, the Cubs needed to trade him early so they could focus on entertaining offers for Garza everyone knew a trade was to be expected earlier than the July 31st trade deadline.

But I do have to say this seeing Kerry Wood and Demp love the Cubs so much that they are basically attached to them does make me think more highly of the Cubs as an organization, I still loathe them, but you gotta respect a team whose players have so much love for the team

I guess the DL stint really screwed things up, but this was way out of anyone else's control but Dempster's. If he doesn't want to go, then there's nothing anyone can do about it. It also doesn't help that the CBA has messed with what should normally have been a good return from most suitors. LA lowballed the Cubs and ATL did dumb shit, plus we had no idea besides some spoken words that might mean nothing that Dempster would accept a specific trade to a specific destination anyway. LA was probably the strongest destination.

So now I guess we wait some more.

 

[whitesoxman77]

So now I guess you wait some more.

Fixed :lol:

 

[dabynsky]

It is just hard to reconcile that a guy isn't willing to his second choice which would net the Cubs a pitcher they can slot between Shark and Wood in the rotation for the next several seasons. I know it is his right and I can appreciate that he has a choice. I guess I think I would be less angry if it wasn't so much that it is clear that he wants to go LA. If it was just I am not going to go anywhere than I think I would be less angry.

 

[Rice Cube]

LAD and ATL just flipflopped in the standings so now LAD owns the wild card and ATL is half game out. Not that it means anything, but just an observation.

 

[dabynsky]

Bowman is reporting that teams are now calling the Braves about their top pitching prospects. This deal apparently signaled to the rest of baseball that the Braves are going for it, and the odds of the Dempster deal lasting more than a day or two is pretty damn small.

 

[Rice Cube]

It's never easy for the Cubs :lol: