Schwarber is back!

[chibears55]

They will trade Baez before they trade Schwarber. Schwarber's talent and character is near Bryant and Rizzo's level.

Now does he have legit trade value. Yes. There are few teams that would not move plasyers around to fit him. His impact this early on is similar to what Puig gave with out the off field issues.

D wise he is behind but not unplayable. At worst he would be one of the top 1B in the league.

They may trade them together and get a nice return (phillies )

He not playing 1B with the cubs. ..

My whole reasoning is, unless they trade Montero in off season (which i doubt). there no where to play him everyday in 2016..
and would it be wise to go with an inexperience, undeveloped catcher..

I just dont see the cubs looking at him as a LFer, especially since they might move Bryant there..
That may be another reason why they haven't forced that move for Schwarber in LF and allowed him to develop as a catcher. .

There no doubt the kid can hit... i just think their going to use that to their advantage to bring in pieces to their team in a deal. .

 

[CSF77]

also:
Minors:
Schwarber vs LH: .379/.419/.759
VS RH: .290/.389/.516

you have to get out of the LH vs RH RH vs LH box. Splits also go into who hit what. Rizzo has done very well vs LH pitching. Schwarber is in the same boat. Montero is the one who sees a major drop off vs them.

That said there are much fewer LHSP in the league so the need for Schwarber to play games as a catcher would be less.

Now I agree that Montero is the best option as a starter. The staff as a whole has improved with him behind the dish and to expect Schwarber to jump in and provide the same result is naive.

The whole agile in LF thing? Sounds like a bias opinion to me. He did not get time in LF due to them wanting him to be a catcher not a LF. Not to mention AA was stacked with OF talent and the playing time was not there.

 

[CSF77]

They may trade them together and get a nice return (phillies )

He not playing 1B with the cubs. ..

My whole reasoning is, unless they trade Montero in off season (which i doubt). there no where to play him everyday in 2016..
and would it be wise to go with an inexperience, undeveloped catcher..

I just dont see the cubs looking at him as a LFer, especially since they might move Bryant there..
That may be another reason why they haven't forced that move for Schwarber in LF and allowed him to develop as a catcher. .

There no doubt the kid can hit... i just think their going to use that to their advantage to bring in pieces to their team in a deal. .

I would rather not.

Cole is not going to push the team over the hump. Not to mention there was a issue that makes me bias towards him right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...ed-players-did-not-respect-him-214138737.html

Several pitchers — Hamels, A.J. Burnett, Kyle Kendrick and David Buchanan — openly disrespected Sandberg during visits to the mound last season.

Ya know as a Cubs fan that kinda burns me. At least show some respect to your manager... Much less a hall of fame guy. The Phills has some poison going on with the egos over there. Not sure if I want to bring any over. Just to be 100% honest.

 

[chibears55]

I would rather not.

Cole is not going to push the team over the hump. Not to mention there was a issue that makes me bias towards him right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...ed-players-did-not-respect-him-214138737.html

Several pitchers — Hamels, A.J. Burnett, Kyle Kendrick and David Buchanan — openly disrespected Sandberg during visits to the mound last season.

Ya know as a Cubs fan that kinda burns me. At least show some respect to your manager... Much less a hall of fame guy. The Phills has some poison going on with the egos over there. Not sure if I want to bring any over. Just to be 100% honest.

That Larry Bowa saying what Sandberg believed. ..
We dont know the whole story. ..

Regardless, Hamels wouldn't be brought in just for this year
I believe he has 3 more years left on his deal..

I disagree with him not pushing team over hump for this year..

They go into a playoff series with Hamels Arrieta and Lester
that a huge advantage. ..
Offense just has to not become anemic like 08 and 09 did..

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

2 errors in his debut at C... yikes!

They were talking on the radio that he had 10 passed balls in 52 games in the minors. That's like... almost historically bad.

 

[CSF77]

2 errors in his debut at C... yikes!

They were talking on the radio that he had 10 passed balls in 52 games in the minors. That's like... almost historically bad.

He will take 3 years to become good. That is why I want him in LF.

 

[CSF77]

That Larry Bowa saying what Sandberg believed. ..
We dont know the whole story. ..

Regardless, Hamels wouldn't be brought in just for this year
I believe he has 3 more years left on his deal..

I disagree with him not pushing team over hump for this year..

They go into a playoff series with Hamels Arrieta and Lester
that a huge advantage. ..
Offense just has to not become anemic like 08 and 09 did..

Adding Cole means bumping Hendricks off the play off rotation.

Arrieta: 2.66 .99 WHIP
Hammel: 2.86 ERA 0.95 WHIP
Lester 3.37 ERA 1.21 WHIP
Hendricks 3.44 ERA 1.11 WHIP

The top 4 are pretty damn good. The problem has been run support. Schwarber is needed there.

Cole: 3.63 ERA 1.22 WHIP. His numbers are worse than the top 4 Cubs....that is just reality.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

He will take 3 years to become good. That is why I want him in LF.

Dude can fuckin rake though.

WTB DH in the NL.

 

[CSF77]

Dude can fuckin rake though.

WTB DH in the NL.

I think he can play some LF. Sori got by for years. And he is a strike out machine. I could live with it.

 

[CSF77]

Now if Det would sell Price this year and they Cubs gave them a good value over the pick they would get anyways for holding him. Then I could see that move. I'm expecting Price on the Cubs radar in the off season and getting him early makes sense as it would be little problem with extending him long term.

Det would lose a #33-35 pick so the Cubs would have to give that value in return and a toss in.

 

[Ari Bear]

Adding Cole means bumping Hendricks off the play off rotation.

Arrieta: 2.66 .99 WHIP
Hammel: 2.86 ERA 0.95 WHIP
Lester 3.37 ERA 1.21 WHIP
Hendricks 3.44 ERA 1.11 WHIP

The top 4 are pretty damn good. The problem has been run support. Schwarber is needed there.

Cole: 3.63 ERA 1.22 WHIP. His numbers are worse than the top 4 Cubs....that is just reality.

This! ^^^^^

 

[chibears55]

Adding Cole means bumping Hendricks off the play off rotation.

Arrieta: 2.66 .99 WHIP
Hammel: 2.86 ERA 0.95 WHIP
Lester 3.37 ERA 1.21 WHIP
Hendricks 3.44 ERA 1.11 WHIP

The top 4 are pretty damn good. The problem has been run support. Schwarber is needed there.

Cole: 3.63 ERA 1.22 WHIP. His numbers are worse than the top 4 Cubs....that is just reality.

I was thinking theyd use him as trade bait in off season if they weren't able to sign the FA pitcher they want..

I just dont think they consider him in LF going forward , I think that their plan for bryant in 2016..


I think theyd prefer Montero as their Catcher for at least next year if not remainder of deal..

Just be tough to justify leaving him in AAA another year, especially since he up now for a 2nd time and hitting. . His bat belongs, he just doesn't have a position to play every day. ..

This is going to be one very interesting off season to see what they do with not just schwarber but what they do woth baez castro russell alcantara olt .. where they want bryant to play..

If 2016 is the going for it year , they have to stabilize their starting 8..

It wouldn't surprise me if they add 1 or 2 new faces that not with them now, for CF and 3B or 2B


This is obe off season, I definitely will be very interested in...



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[Diehardfan]

Adding Cole means bumping Hendricks off the play off rotation.

Arrieta: 2.66 .99 WHIP
Hammel: 2.86 ERA 0.95 WHIP
Lester 3.37 ERA 1.21 WHIP
Hendricks 3.44 ERA 1.11 WHIP

The top 4 are pretty damn good. The problem has been run support. Schwarber is needed there.

Cole: 3.63 ERA 1.22 WHIP. His numbers are worse than the top 4 Cubs....that is just reality.

This is correct. Given the light offensive support the Cub's staff is getting, Hamels would hardly be an asset. Right now, all he's got over the existing starters is his "name". You could say, but hey....the Cub's bats won't be silent forever....but if they do start scoring runs, what the existing starters are providing is more than enough. At this point, I don't think he is needed.

 

[TL1961]

This is correct. Given the light offensive support the Cub's staff is getting, Hamels would hardly be an asset. Right now, all he's got over the existing starters is his "name". You could say, but hey....the Cub's bats won't be silent forever....but if they do start scoring runs, what the existing starters are providing is more than enough. At this point, I don't think he is needed.

So, what you are saying is, Cole Hamels in a playoff rotation is not a big improvement over Kyle Hendrick.

I disagree.

I like Hendrick, and I am glad he has turned it around the past few starts. But in a playoff series, I would not be confident, and even if he pitches well, he doesn't go deep.

I am not saying mortgage the future for Hamels, but let's get serious here. He is huge step up over Hendrick come playoff time. I can't believe we're even debating that.

 

[CSF77]

So, what you are saying is, Cole Hamels in a playoff rotation is not a big improvement over Kyle Hendrick.

I disagree.

I like Hendrick, and I am glad he has turned it around the past few starts. But in a playoff series, I would not be confident, and even if he pitches well, he doesn't go deep.

I am not saying mortgage the future for Hamels, but let's get serious here. He is huge step up over Hendrick come playoff time. I can't believe we're even debating that.

Hendricks would only get 1 start in a 7 game. Arrieta and Lester would get a max of 2. Cole has not proven he is better than those 2. I would argue that Hammel has been better also.

 

[CSF77]

I was thinking theyd use him as trade bait in off season if they weren't able to sign the FA pitcher they want..

I just dont think they consider him in LF going forward , I think that their plan for bryant in 2016..


I think theyd prefer Montero as their Catcher for at least next year if not remainder of deal..

Just be tough to justify leaving him in AAA another year, especially since he up now for a 2nd time and hitting. . His bat belongs, he just doesn't have a position to play every day. ..

This is going to be one very interesting off season to see what they do with not just schwarber but what they do woth baez castro russell alcantara olt .. where they want bryant to play..

If 2016 is the going for it year , they have to stabilize their starting 8..

It wouldn't surprise me if they add 1 or 2 new faces that not with them now, for CF and 3B or 2B


This is obe off season, I definitely will be very interested in...



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It would be pointless to trade him in the off season. At that point there are plenty of SP options out there. Why lose talent? Makes little sense.

Bryant is a 3B. Castro is a SS. Russell has taken to 2B. Soler is a RF. Montero is a catcher. That is probley bottom line stuff.

I see a line up VS RH next year:

(The lead off is tricky as I see Happ as the long term answer)

Russell 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber LF
Baez CF
Soler RF
Montero C
Castro SS
pitcher

With the line up extending I don't see the need to give more AB's to an auto out. Maddon kept it going to lower the pressure on Russell but I can't see them continuing it.

VS LH

Russell 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Baez CF
Soler RF
Denorfia LF
Castro SS
pitcher

Now if they happen to be able to trade Castro then it moves Russell to SS and Baez to 2B. I believe this will be a improvement in D. Thus opens up CF for Alcantara. With Alcantara you think on him batting lead off and Russell #2. Depending on their production. You could also just replace Fowler with Alcantara and Castro with Baez Coghlan with Schwarber and basically keep the rest unchanged.

D wise LF is really not a bad field to defend. RF is the hardest to defend at Wrigg. Soler would be the strongest D so that is covered.

This is all about finding ways to generate runs.

Now the best answer for a starter is still spending on Price with out losing talent.

 

[Diehardfan]

So, what you are saying is, Cole Hamels in a playoff rotation is not a big improvement over Kyle Hendrick.

I disagree.

I like Hendrick, and I am glad he has turned it around the past few starts. But in a playoff series, I would not be confident, and even if he pitches well, he doesn't go deep.

I am not saying mortgage the future for Hamels, but let's get serious here. He is huge step up over Hendrick come playoff time. I can't believe we're even debating that.

For the young talent you'd have to give up to the major dollars in his salary....I would rather invest it elsewhere. He'd be a no better than a three here, probably a 4.

 

[chibears55]

It would be pointless to trade him in the off season. At that point there are plenty of SP options out there. Why lose talent? Makes little sense.

Bryant is a 3B. Castro is a SS. Russell has taken to 2B. Soler is a RF. Montero is a catcher. That is probley bottom line stuff.

I see a line up VS RH next year:

(The lead off is tricky as I see Happ as the long term answer)

Russell 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber LF
Baez CF
Soler RF
Montero C
Castro SS
pitcher

With the line up extending I don't see the need to give more AB's to an auto out. Maddon kept it going to lower the pressure on Russell but I can't see them continuing it.

VS LH

Russell 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Baez CF
Soler RF
Denorfia LF
Castro SS
pitcher

Now if they happen to be able to trade Castro then it moves Russell to SS and Baez to 2B. I believe this will be a improvement in D. Thus opens up CF for Alcantara. With Alcantara you think on him batting lead off and Russell #2. Depending on their production. You could also just replace Fowler with Alcantara and Castro with Baez Coghlan with Schwarber and basically keep the rest unchanged.

D wise LF is really not a bad field to defend. RF is the hardest to defend at Wrigg. Soler would be the strongest D so that is covered.

This is all about finding ways to generate runs.

Now the best answer for a starter is still spending on Price with out losing talent.

It wouldn't be pointless if the top guys they target sign elsewhere or ask for more then their willing to give..

Schwarber with a a couple others could net them a nice return of a little more then just a starter.


here how i see next season shaping up..

C. Montero
1B. Rizzo
2B. Russell
SS. Castro
3B. Open
LF. Bryant
CF. Open
RF. Soler


I see them entertaining offers for Schwarber Baez and Alcantara along with others in system. .
Im not saying their going to trade them all, just that their going to be open to trading one or two if something good is offered. ..
Wheather its a Starter and or position player. ..

Its not that i dont like Schwarber. .. it just that i see them using him as that big bat they move in a deal to get their pitcher, needed position player , and or build up system ..

 

[chibears55]

For the young talent you'd have to give up to the major dollars in his salary....I would rather invest it elsewhere. He'd be a no better than a three here, probably a 4.

Think some of you are drinking a bit too much kool-aid on Hammels and Hendricks. .

This reminds me of some insisting that Garza was an Ace..


Come off season, if Price or Cueto are looking to net 30 per or sign elsewhere .. youd be a fool of a GM to not try and net 4 yrs of control of a cole hamels at 23.5 per for 3 yrs and 20 on the 4th option yr...

Plus keep in mind Arrieta has 2 yrs of Arb coming up before he a FA.. he going to be getting a good chunk of dough via Arb or if they extend, so paying a Hamels 23 mil for next 3 yrs is alot easier to manage with Lester and Arrieta salary then the 25-30 Price and Cueto will be looking for. ..

 

[CSF77]

It wouldn't be pointless if the top guys they target sign elsewhere or ask for more then their willing to give..

Schwarber with a a couple others could net them a nice return of a little more then just a starter.


here how i see next season shaping up..

C. Montero
1B. Rizzo
2B. Russell
SS. Castro
3B. Open
LF. Bryant
CF. Open
RF. Soler


I see them entertaining offers for Schwarber Baez and Alcantara along with others in system. .
Im not saying their going to trade them all, just that their going to be open to trading one or two if something good is offered. ..
Wheather its a Starter and or position player. ..

Its not that i dont like Schwarber. .. it just that i see them using him as that big bat they move in a deal to get their pitcher, needed position player , and or build up system ..

The biggest need is a OBA lead off. That is why they traded for Fowler but it came up short.

Best guys out there:
Jason Kipnis. .405 OBA. 2B Cle.
Nori Aoki .383 SFG
Dee Gorden Mia.

Honestly they need to self develop here. I see Happ as the long term answer with Alcantara as the in-between. at lead off.

Ideally they trade Castro and move Russell to SS and Baez to 2B. Castro would net a few decent young arms for the future. Sign Price and get ready for next year.