Seabrook Signs Extension

[Captain Iago]

I respect your opinion, and im not trying to call you out, but IMO if we cannot get rid of soups contract with the other guys we have signed we cant be competitive. WE ARE IN TROUBLE CAP WISE.

No worries. This "core" will be competitive as the bulk of it is still young. Hossa is the oldest member of the core at 32. Keith, Seabrook, Toews, Kane are all under 30 (three of these are still kids, really). Sharp is 30 now.

2.3 of the 4.1 in dead space will be eaten up by Seabrook. It is reasonable to figure that Morin and Kruger are relative good chances of being around next season. Brass wanted Kruger in the mix this year, but he refused to come to N.A. We've seen that Morin has talent and also isn't afraid to hit/mix it up. Now, it is also reasonable to expect that the most the Hawks will pay a backup G is 800k. That puts us at needing a starting G, and 6 or 7 more bodies with 7.4 remaining at this year's cap. I think it's also reasonable to expect the cap to increase as the NHL is making money.

Let's let this thing play out before we go bat shit crazy.

 

[icehogfan08]

I dont think people should get to high on Morin. It seems everytime he gets hit he goes down. I forgot the last time he has dressed for Rockford

 

[Capt. Serious]

Sweet, another overpaid d-man...atta boy Stan.

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[Captain Iago]

IMO if we cannot get rid of soups contract

D contracts around the league are surely on the rise. Maybe, because of the market, his contract doesn't seems so brutal a team out east.

Well, maybe...

 

[Captain Iago]

I dont think people should get to high on Morin. It seems everytime he gets hit he goes down. I forgot the last time he has dressed for Rockford

This is something to consider as he's now playing with the big boys. This also can be used by brass as a scapegoat next season depending on how it plays out.

 

[sandyfalkirk]

I don't see how you guys can think this is an ok contract. Youre acting like this team is already deep.

Were not going to have any money to sign a good depth player nor trade for one.

They are going to depend on the AHL for a long period of time. They simply have too much money in too few players.

Thats what I'm worried about here. And they are all locked in for a long time.

We're taking a gamble anyway, thats for sure!

 

[Capt. Serious]

Starting to wonder who's worse with the cap, Stan or Tallon..

 

[IvyPickin87]

D contracts around the league are surely on the rise. Maybe, because of the market, his contract doesn't seems so brutal a team out east.

Well, maybe...

Dont get me wrong he is a good player, but no one is gonna take that thing he just doesnt play up to what he is paid. The only way is if we send him and someone else cheap in return we get two guys getting paid 4 mil or so each.

 

[AddisonStation]

1. Ok, so it's a bad random comparison. No Hawks shades needed.

2. At 25 years old, please tell me you're joking because you really, truly understand that defensemen usually take longer to develop.

WTF is he going to develop into? He is an average skating defensive blue liner who scores the majority of his points because of his ice time. If you think he is all of the sudden going to magically "develop" into being worth the cap hit you are living on a prayer.

Will you please tell me how Seabrook is THAT much better for each's respective cap hit? My original statement was I'd rather have Hamhuis at 4.5 than Seabrook at 6 not that Hamhuis is the better player.

 

[Captain Iago]

WTF is he going to develop into? He is an average skating defensive blue liner who scores the majority of his points because of his ice time. If you think he is all of the sudden going to magically "develop" into being worth the cap hit you are living on a prayer.

Will you please tell me how Seabrook is THAT much better for each's respective cap hit? My original statement was I'd rather have Hamhuis at 4.5 than Seabrook at 6 not that Hamhuis is the better player.

At 25, he is actually very young to be as decent as he's been. Why couldn't he get better in all areas (offensive and defensive)? How are you pigeonholing him that he'll be exactly how is what he is now?

For example, Pronger's highest point total was 36 after his first 5 seasons. How was he able to eclipse that number? I can infer from your comments, guys can't improve after 5 seasons.

Now, don't misconstrue my comparison to Pronger...Seabrook does not have the heavy shot that Pronger has nor does he have the frame or reach to play as physical as Pronger. Can Seabrook handle one on one situations like Pronger? Yes. Can Seabrook handle the crease like Pronger? No (so very, very few can), but in the short history that we've seen, Seabrook can hold his own...and that's been good enough to win.

The point is that you cannot pigeonhole defenseman after 5 seasons. It's generally not enough time. What we've seen from Seabrook thus far has been better than expected and surely could improve.

 

[Captain Iago]

Anyhow, here's my thoughts on his deal. I actually do agree with many of you who say the cap hit is too high. I would have liked to see it at 5 total.

The way the deal is structured, though, he is a 5 mil/year player (which is what many of us put him at - even on the high end). The contract also adds 2 million signing bonus for the first two seasons, which accounts for the extra 800k cap hit for the duration of the contract (5 years). I think he's the only Hawk with one. Had to check - Hammer has one this year for 250k.

Also, he might as well have some kind of NMC, as it seems everybody else in the damn league has one. So much for the the clause to provide some leverage for the organizations to be able to lower the salary numbers.

In the grand scheme of things, that 800k difference costs us a Viktor Stalberg. Um, well, yeah, that some serious pain and total cap hell there...

 

[AddisonStation]

At 25, he is actually very young to be as decent as he's been. Why couldn't he get better in all areas (offensive and defensive)? How are you pigeonholing him that he'll be exactly how is what he is now?

For example, Pronger's highest point total was 36 after his first 5 seasons. How was he able to eclipse that number? I can infer from your comments, guys can't improve after 5 seasons.

Now, don't misconstrue my comparison to Pronger...Seabrook does not have the heavy shot that Pronger has nor does he have the frame or reach to play as physical as Pronger. Can Seabrook handle one on one situations like Pronger? Yes. Can Seabrook handle the crease like Pronger? No (so very, very few can), but in the short history that we've seen, Seabrook can hold his own...and that's been good enough to win.

The point is that you cannot pigeonhole defenseman after 5 seasons. It's generally not enough time. What we've seen from Seabrook thus far has been better than expected and surely could improve.

I like Seabrook in one-on-one situations and as an overall player but not for the money he will be getting IMO.

The reason I'm suggesting he has reached his ceiling offensively is because I dont think he is a fantastic skater and I don't think his passing ability are all that great either.

I hope I'm wrong and half way through this contract he is worth the cap hit but I'm skeptical. And as someone else mentioned, if the cap goes up significantly in the next few years it'll be fine. If not and he remains consistent, he will simply be taking up too much cap space.

 

[Captain Iago]

I like Seabrook in one-on-one situations and as an overall player but not for the money he will be getting IMO.

The reason I'm suggesting he has reached his ceiling offensively is because I dont think he is a fantastic skater and I don't think his passing ability are all that great either.

I hope I'm wrong and half way through this contract he is worth the cap hit but I'm skeptical. And as someone else mentioned, if the cap goes up significantly in the next few years it'll be fine. If not and he remains consistent, he will simply be taking up too much cap space.

Fair enough. I think I remember correctly that Pronger wasn't real fleet of foot when he first arrived as a Blue, granted it was a different game, then.

We will be hoping our young guys who are signed for a hefty amount of time continue to progress. There are no guarantees. I can completely understand where you are coming from here.

 

[AddisonStation]

Fair enough. I think I remember correctly that Pronger wasn't real fleet of foot when he first arrived as a Blue, granted it was a different game, then.

We will be hoping our young guys who are signed for a hefty amount of time continue to progress. There are no guarantees. I can completely understand where you are coming from here.

He's not extremely fast but he has good skating ability and his passing is top notch.

 

[Jacthono3]

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[yuanyelss]

I would think it would be Hjalmarrson, I still think Campbell has too many years left on his contract -and as a puck moving defenseman ...