Shooting Guard Need

[pinkizdead]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:

i agree with hou. i'd rather get some1 like fernandez.

i hope the contract is 9-10 million on year 1, and 8-7 million year 2, 3-4 million year 3.

That's not feasible...contracts don't have dramatic drops like that...

a guy can dream.

 

[Dc773]

Bulls are making a run at
Ronnie Brewer and Shaun Livingston next.

 

[houheffna]

I am tired of the "I wish we had BG talk"...seriously...move on!

 

[pinkizdead]

it's hard to say move one, when jj reddick is the replacement for gordon

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

I am tired of the "I wish we had BG talk"...seriously...move on!

I'm tired of hearing about what your "tired" talk.... seriously... move on!

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Even if they dont like BG, they could have done a lot more with 12 mill to fill the sg slot. Those guys can't even run the break with Rose.

The players currently on the roster hit 63 three pointers last season. We had to bring in shooters, and Redick + Korver are two of the best. Can't really fault the logic on these moves, even if they're not the exact ones I would have liked.

I got no problem with signing Kover for that deal. I think we need a legit starting sg if we really plan to contend. I really think trading our cap space for Iggy and signing Kover would have diversified our team much more and made it better overall. You could always get a backup pg that is a shooter too but realistically, we aren't going to really play Reddick and kover on the wings together much.

 

[houheffna]

I'm tired of hearing about what your "tired" talk.... seriously... move on!

Its hard to move on and have a coherent conversation about the team when you interject with a half written dopey campfire folk song about Ben Gordon. If you don't understand why he is not here and what would sequentially transpire because of it...then you just don't get it.

I liked Hinrich...yet I was very realistic about what he gave to the team and knew he was expendable. If you want to go there, they need Hinrich as much if not more than Gordon. Korver, Redick fill the need of a long range shooter. What we don't have is a hallhandler/defender combo guard who could offer some level of resistance to opposing shooting guards. Gordon does none of that.

So making up cheesy nicknames for Lebron and pining for Gordon works for you, have at it...I am just tired of hearing it. Excuse me for expecting Bulls fans to have a higher collective IQ...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

I'm tired of hearing about what your "tired" talk.... seriously... move on!

Its hard to move on and have a coherent conversation about the team when you interject with a half written dopey campfire folk song about Ben Gordon. If you don't understand why he is not here and what would sequentially transpire because of it...then you just don't get it.

I liked Hinrich...yet I was very realistic about what he gave to the team and knew he was expendable. If you want to go there, they need Hinrich as much if not more than Gordon. Korver, Redick fill the need of a long range shooter. What we don't have is a hallhandler/defender combo guard who could offer some level of resistance to opposing shooting guards. Gordon does none of that.

So making up cheesy nicknames for Lebron and pining for Gordon works for you, have at it...I am just tired of hearing it. Excuse me for expecting Bulls fans to have a higher collective IQ...

I think you confuse what I say. When Kirk was traded, I let go of the why didn't we keep BG thing. But now that we need a shooter and are desperate enough to pay two bench guys 12 mill, I think we should look to see if we can trade for BG instead. I can see the merits of signing Korver or Reddick but I think having both as our only sg options leaves us very vulnerable and is a bad idea. We don't have to bring back BG, it was a suggestion, I am also open to a guy like Iggy who is the opposite but I think we need a legit starter at the 2 to contend, not reddick or korver being our starting sg.

 

[MikeMeraz]

BG! BG! BG! BG! BG!

 

[Fred]

houheffna wrote:

I'm tired of hearing about what your "tired" talk.... seriously... move on!

I liked Hinrich...yet I was very realistic about what he gave to the team and knew he was expendable. If you want to go there, they need Hinrich as much if not more than Gordon. Korver, Redick fill the need of a long range shooter. What we don't have is a hallhandler/defender combo guard who could offer some level of resistance to opposing shooting guards. Gordon does none of that.

So making up cheesy nicknames for Lebron and pining for Gordon works for you, have at it...I am just tired of hearing it. Excuse me for expecting Bulls fans to have a higher collective IQ...

Are you freaking serious? Honestly, excuse me if there are Bulls fans out there who wouldn't mind seeing a proven 20 PPG scorer coming back to the Bulls to play SG. To accuse somebody of being stupid for thinking it is ridiculous. I though Hinrich's overall pathetic performance last year would finally shut up this kind of nonsense. It should be clear, the Bulls with Gordon at SG are better than the Bulls with Hinrich at SG. And bringing him to the Bulls would create a kick-ass team that could beat the Heat.
The Heat have 3 guys who demand a double team. Bringing a healthy Gordon back would create the same thing in Chicago.

 

[pinkizdead]

i think going after gordon and brewer, hell even bringing rip hamilton off the bench (Yeup off the bench. that's where he belongs).

 

[pinkizdead]

i meant to say bring a guy like hamilton by giving them cap relief, then i realized how exceptionally bad his contract was.

 

[WearShades]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

Here's the deal:

Trade Deng for either Arenas or Redd and sign Korver. We'd look awesome:

Noah
Boozer
Korver
Arenas/Redd
Rose

That would be awesome and would keep our cap healthy to resign Rose and Noah. I love it! Anybody have Gar's cell?

ramblingrose33 wrote:

Deng's love for playing in the Olympics with an injury prone history makes me nervous. I want him gone.

So you don't like Deng because he is injury prone (and presumably because of his contract) and you want Arenas?

Terrible idea.

 

[houheffna]

Are you freaking serious? Honestly, excuse me if there are Bulls fans out there who wouldn't mind seeing a proven 20 PPG scorer coming back to the Bulls to play SG. To accuse somebody of being stupid for thinking it is ridiculous. I though Hinrich's overall pathetic performance last year would finally shut up this kind of nonsense. It should be clear, the Bulls with Gordon at SG are better than the Bulls with Hinrich at SG. And bringing him to the Bulls would create a kick-ass team that could beat the Heat.
The Heat have 3 guys who demand a double team. Bringing a healthy Gordon back would create the same thing in Chicago.

Gordon's performance last year should shut up the nonsense I just read...despite people saying that his ankle fell off...Gordon at 9mil...fine. Gordon at 12 mil? Hell NO!!!!

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Are you freaking serious? Honestly, excuse me if there are Bulls fans out there who wouldn't mind seeing a proven 20 PPG scorer coming back to the Bulls to play SG. To accuse somebody of being stupid for thinking it is ridiculous. I though Hinrich's overall pathetic performance last year would finally shut up this kind of nonsense. It should be clear, the Bulls with Gordon at SG are better than the Bulls with Hinrich at SG. And bringing him to the Bulls would create a kick-ass team that could beat the Heat.
The Heat have 3 guys who demand a double team. Bringing a healthy Gordon back would create the same thing in Chicago.

I am very freakin' serious, been this freakin' serious from the beginning. And I don't need to read anymore Wade quotes about Gordon please...thank you. Lebron complimented Taj Gibson...

Your mad hard on for Hinrich aside, my point was both players offer skill sets that the Bulls could use right now. But they both...BOTH cost too much damn money and Gordon also sucked last year. And please don't bring up his ankle, it was a sprain, lets not act like they sewed it back on.

And by the way, if you think that all that is needed is Ben Gordon to make this a championship team...you need to youtube Wade and Lebron my friend, you are in for a treat because obviously you have no idea.

The Bulls need some athleticism. The Bulls need a backcourt player who is not a defensive liability. If they could get a 28 year old Bruce Bowen, great...I don't see any out there. But I am not willing to settle for a 60mil guy who would spread the floor. They just got a guy that can do that for 40% of Gordon's money. And they have plenty of room to get better players. I would rather have Korver and Morrow, who I think has tremendous upside at a combined 9mil a year than have Gordon at 12per. Gordon scored damn near 1mil per point last year and didn't give the Pistons jacks--t besides that. You can have him.

I just can't believe you all of people would chose quantity over quality. Reddick and Korver both will make what BG makes and BG is better than both of them and comes with a much more advanced skill set.

We aren't getting Morrow. He is like Bron, Wade, Boozer, Bosh, Amare and JJ. He is off the market. He is for sure going to NJ or GSW, nothing we can do.

And to help you with math, since you don't like numbers. BG scored 855 points. Making it less than 12k a point.

And while we are at it, Dr Hou of Hou's medical school, it was more serious than an ankle sprain if he had surgery right after the season.

I just don't get why we can't have a discusion on the merits of BG vs Korver and Reddick? Its not banned in the tos of the site.

 

[houheffna]

And to help you with math, since you don't like numbers. BG scored 855 points. Making it less than 12k a point.

And while we are at it, Dr Hou of Hou's medical school, it was more serious than an ankle sprain if he had surgery right after the season.

I just don't get why we can't have a discusion on the merits of BG vs Korver and Reddick? Its not banned in the tos of the site.

Obviously I know he didn't score 12pts all season and you know what I meant. He scored under 14ppg.

I believe that bringing him in with that money is a bad move. He got overpaid elsewhere...leave him there. I am for forward thinking. Because we didn't get Lebron, there should be no regrets as to what happened previous to that to get us to that point. That is my point.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

And to help you with math, since you don't like numbers. BG scored 855 points. Making it less than 12k a point.

And while we are at it, Dr Hou of Hou's medical school, it was more serious than an ankle sprain if he had surgery right after the season.

I just don't get why we can't have a discusion on the merits of BG vs Korver and Reddick? Its not banned in the tos of the site.

Obviously I know he didn't score 12pts all season and you know what I meant. He scored under 14ppg.

I believe that bringing him in with that money is a bad move. He got overpaid elsewhere...leave him there. I am for forward thinking. Because we didn't get Lebron, there should be no regrets as to what happened previous to that to get us to that point. That is my point.

Listen, at the point we traded Kirk and were committed to it completly, I had no regrets about what was done. If we had kept Kirk, I'd still be complaining about it because then it was a x vs y situation imo.

That being said, I like BG as an option but my main point is that we need another high quality guard. That being said, Korver and Reddick aren't that. I don't mind signing one for shooting but both is both redundant and counter predictive at this point.

As I said earlier, it doesn't have to be BG(though I like him as a choice) we have option out there and if we truly want to contend, Reddick and Korver aren't going to cut it. Iggy is a good choice as well as a couple of others. But you can bet, whoever we get is going to be overpaid just as much as BG. Reddick is worth 4-5 mill a year, not what he is getting.

That is my main point, Korver and Reddick won't get it done. Either bring me a very good scorer like BG or a good defender and slasher like Iggy. Championship teams have third options who can create for shots, Deng isn't that.

 

[houheffna]

Listen, at the point we traded Kirk and were committed to it completly, I had no regrets about what was done. If we had kept Kirk, I'd still be complaining about it because then it was a x vs y situation imo.

That being said, I like BG as an option but my main point is that we need another high quality guard. That being said, Korver and Reddick aren't that. I don't mind signing one for shooting but both is both redundant and counter predictive at this point.

As I said earlier, it doesn't have to be BG(though I like him as a choice) we have option out there and if we truly want to contend, Reddick and Korver aren't going to cut it. Iggy is a good choice as well as a couple of others. But you can bet, whoever we get is going to be overpaid just as much as BG. Reddick is worth 4-5 mill a year, not what he is getting.

That is my main point, Korver and Reddick won't get it done. Either bring me a very good scorer like BG or a good defender and slasher like Iggy. Championship teams have third options who can create for shots, Deng isn't that.

I agree and have said it on this forum previously. Korver and Redick are not good enough. I like Morrow over Redick but Redick can handle the ball a little.

But That is not good enough. I definitely agree with you. Ben Gordon is one-dimensional and overpaid...I don't think he is the solution.

By the way, I agree with Jason Goff when he says Gordon needs the Bulls more than the Bulls need him...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Listen, at the point we traded Kirk and were committed to it completly, I had no regrets about what was done. If we had kept Kirk, I'd still be complaining about it because then it was a x vs y situation imo.

That being said, I like BG as an option but my main point is that we need another high quality guard. That being said, Korver and Reddick aren't that. I don't mind signing one for shooting but both is both redundant and counter predictive at this point.

As I said earlier, it doesn't have to be BG(though I like him as a choice) we have option out there and if we truly want to contend, Reddick and Korver aren't going to cut it. Iggy is a good choice as well as a couple of others. But you can bet, whoever we get is going to be overpaid just as much as BG. Reddick is worth 4-5 mill a year, not what he is getting.

That is my main point, Korver and Reddick won't get it done. Either bring me a very good scorer like BG or a good defender and slasher like Iggy. Championship teams have third options who can create for shots, Deng isn't that.

I agree and have said it on this forum previously. Korver and Redick are not good enough. I like Morrow over Redick but Redick can handle the ball a little.

But That is not good enough. I definitely agree with you. Ben Gordon is one-dimensional and overpaid...I don't think he is the solution.

Anyone we bring is going to be overpaid. Reddick is over paid, Deng is over paid, Boozer is over paid. The league is full of overpaid guys. I just happen to think that his diminsion and attitude would be a good fit.

That being said, despite Iggy's poor outside shooting, I think he is the best fit. These bulls are bigger, stronger and will focus on defense. If you get Iggy, your whole lineup is filled with above average rebounders and is athletic. He can run with Rose, play in the 4th at sf when deng disappears and cover almost any sg/sf in the league. Most importantly, he is a good third option and will consistently give us a guy on the floor who can penetrate and create.

We need to take on a guy now to contend and then worry about salary in a couple of years. I strongly think we are a good sg away from contending, so I think we need to take that risk and mess around. JR said we can contend and he needs to back that up with the final piece. We got cap space, cash and picks, get it done, no excuses.

 

[houheffna]

I like Iguodala, especially over Deng, which brings me to my point. I would rather have Iguodala at sf and let Deng go if at all possible. Unless Deng can expand his range to 3pt on a regular basis, I don't think he is a good fit offensively. Iguodala and Mayo???? That is more like it...