Should Rodman's Number be retired?

[houheffna]

Wow, just wow. You still don't pick up, do you? I have no problem with you having a "dumb ass" opinion, but I have a problem when you project your "dumb ass" opinion.
And no, not experiencing NVL and Gilmore play is a big factor to measuring someone's opinion to whether they should have been retired. In 20 years, the hou clone will make a case for Stacey King and Bill Wennington getting a retired number. I can read a book on surgery, but I don't see anyone lining up for me to give them a CABG.

Yeah and the Crystallas clone will say that unless I experienced Wennington, because the clone "watched Wennington play", my opinion is sub par...and if I am around, I will tell that clone what an idiotic statement that is.

I can't go to Wennington's stats and see if Wennington was a good player or not? Sure I can...its real easy to see. I can see Wennington on television, youtube...etc.

What do you think of Gandhi or King? Do you think does were great men? Or did you have to live in India in 1930 to know Gandhi was great? What about Lincoln? Nobody around experienced Lincoln, why celebrate him?

You can either walk away because those people died before you were born...or you can research and find out who those people were...how hard is that?

 

[houheffna]

I believe that the Bulls shouldn't allow anybody to wear #91 while, at the same time, not hang it in the rafters. That is as far as I will go.

Its either one or the other...

 

[TonyDanza]

I would retire his jersey, that simple. Dennis was unique and the rules are thrown out the window for someone that special. I can see both chrysalas point and houhefnas, but here I agree with chrys on this one.

And gentlemen, it's thanksgiving. Stop being little bitches. Chrys is complaining about hous pushing his opinions as usual, at the same time chrys, you're being a dick about it. Why give a ****? I dont post much because of shitty posters like hou and now both of you are being stupid about it. Eat some turkey and move on.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Its either one or the other...

I don't see why it has to be that way. There could be something unspoken within the organization that if a future player ever requests #91 that the answer is no.

If there is a league rule somewhere that says a player can have whatever number he wants if it isn't hanging from the rafters, then it still isn't worth retiring (in my opinion) and we can move on from it.

It is all just opinion though. There are teams like the New Orleans/Utah Jazz who retire any and everybody's number who ever did anything important within the organization. And there are organizations that remain very conservative on this issue.

I don't think the Bulls should just change there standards of what it takes for a players' jersey to be retired. That is why I say no. It could conceivably be perceived as a subtle shot to past players who were with the team much longer who never had that honor. Dennis is special, but he isn't THAT special.

 

[houheffna]

I would retire his jersey, that simple. Dennis was unique and the rules are thrown out the window for someone that special. I can see both chrysalas point and houhefnas, but here I agree with chrys on this one.

And gentlemen, it's thanksgiving. Stop being little bitches. Chrys is complaining about hous pushing his opinions as usual, at the same time chrys, you're being a dick about it. Why give a ****? I dont post much because of shitty posters like hou and now both of you are being stupid about it. Eat some turkey and move on.

Who the hell are you?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Who the hell are you?

He's from "Taxi" and "Who's the Boss."

 

[houheffna]

I don't see why it has to be that way. There could be something unspoken within the organization that if a future player ever requests #91 that the answer is no.

If there is a league rule somewhere that says a player can have whatever number he wants if it isn't hanging from the rafters, then it still isn't worth retiring (in my opinion) and we can move on from it.

It is all just opinion though. There are teams like the New Orleans/Utah Jazz who retire any and everybody's number who ever did anything important within the organization. And there are organizations that remain very conservative on this issue.

I don't think the Bulls should just change there standards of what it takes for a players' jersey to be retired. That is why I say no. It could conceivably be perceived as a subtle shot to past players who were with the team much longer who never had that honor. Dennis is special, but he isn't THAT special.

If nobody else can wear the number...you have retired the number. People griped when other players wore #2 for the Bulls because of NVL...but his number wasn't retired...so what can you do?

The Bears dropped the ball with Sayers and Butkus...waiting years and years before retiring their numbers together on a rainy Monday night. That should have been done and nobody should have worn those numbers after them.

OR you can have a team hall of fame, kind of like what the Cowboys have done. I too like how the Bulls handle retiring numbers. That is why I am fairly confident that Rodman's number won't be retired.

 

[Crystallas]

Who the hell are you?

Wel, of course! Another human being with an opinion that doesn't matter. Who else do you think they are.

 

[Crystallas]

And gentlemen, it's thanksgiving. Stop being little bitches. Chrys is complaining about hous pushing his opinions as usual, at the same time chrys, you're being a dick about it. Why give a ****? I dont post much because of shitty posters like hou and now both of you are being stupid about it. Eat some turkey and move on.

I hope you recognize that I'm not trying to scare anyone off. This is a sports board, where people who never could compete in the pros, become super experts with the simple tool of recorded statistics. Don't challenge the experts, because everyone is a number with a barcode, and we should treat them like one.

 

[houheffna]

Wel, of course! Another human being with an opinion that doesn't matter. Who else do you think they are.

His opinion doesn't matter to me...

I never said your opinion doesn't matter...show me where I posted that....I said in essence that you said some really dumb shit and tried to pass it off as some brooding deep statement worth quoting...that is all I said...

When I make an argument comparing Rodman to other players on the same team...(which is what you do to find the importance and greatness of a player, compare him to other players...in case you didn't know), you get upset and ask me to post a thread about said players...again, senseless.

Now should your opinion matter? Well when YOUR opinion devalues others opinions based on a premise steeped in asininity ...probably not...you have no clue what I or many other posters on here "experienced" to come to the conclusions we have come to. However, your experiencing Rodman, and totally misinterpreting the Rodman era is self-indicting. What good is watching something when you don't know what the heck you are watching?

 

[Crystallas]

I never said your opinion doesn't matter...show me where I posted that....

I never said you made that exact statement. In reference to Tony, I said you didn't care, and you responded....

His opinion doesn't matter to me...

Before accusing others of asininity, check yourself. :rolling:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

:jackson:

 

[houheffna]

I never said you made that exact statement. In reference to Tony, I said you didn't care, and you responded....



Before accusing others of asininity, check yourself. :rolling:

I did...and your reasoning is asinine on this subject...

 

[Lex L.]

He wore #91. So my answer is a big YES. By all means, retire it. It's not as though its a commonly worn number anyway. The guy was 1/3 of the equation that made the second three peat so epic.

 

[97Bulls]

His number should be retired. Not just because of the 3 championships. But because he was integral part of arguably the greatest team ever. He was the leagues leading rebounder, and helped the bulls win the most ans second most games ever in a season.

And he turned the bulls into rockstar status. No pro sports franchise has ever been as popular as the 96-98 bulls. They still hold records for ratings for a championship game.

And he created a culture. Not only with the hair, but with the tatoos. He started that trend of people tattn up their body.

And I'm sorry, van lier and gilmore aren't up there cuz they didn't win. And were solid players at best. And Horace grant has no business in this conversation.I also feel rodman took a lot of media pressure off jordan. Which helped him tremendously.

And you can't base your argument off of all-star game selections. The casual fan doesn't vote for allstars. I'm a huge fan and I ve never voted for an all-star game until this year for derrick rose. And that's only cuz I was able to text my vote.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

His number should be retired. Not just because of the 3 championships. But because he was integral part of arguably the greatest team ever. He was the leagues leading rebounder, and helped the bulls win the most ans second most games ever in a season.

And he turned the bulls into rockstar status. No pro sports franchise has ever been as popular as the 96-98 bulls. They still hold records for ratings for a championship game.

And he created a culture. Not only with the hair, but with the tatoos. He started that trend of people tattn up their body.

And I'm sorry, van lier and gilmore aren't up there cuz they didn't win. And were solid players at best. And Horace grant has no business in this conversation.I also feel rodman took a lot of media pressure off jordan. Which helped him tremendously.

And you can't base your argument off of all-star game selections. The casual fan doesn't vote for allstars. I'm a huge fan and I ve never voted for an all-star game until this year for derrick rose. And that's only cuz I was able to text my vote.

Way to blatantly disrespect Gilmore, Grant, and Van Lier. Rodman was a level above none of them while he was with the Bulls. And Grant was an intregal part of three championships, too. So were Paxson and Kukoc and Harper. That is inconsistent reasoning to retire #91 and not #5, #7, #9, and #54.

The reasons you gave to have Rodman's number retired was because of his influence in pop culture? That should have ZERO-all to do with why the Bulls would retire #91. How about base it on what he personally did on the basketball court?

"Media pressure" off of Jordan? As if Jordan wasn't the darling boy of the media long before Rodman ever got to Chicago. That is another bad reason...

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

tbh i'm still on the fence on this...i originally said on this thread "not so much"

although at the same time i have openly said i advocate it

i think 97 made a good point about his importance on the championship teams, his defense, and the fact he was a unique cultural icon that forever is a part of jordan and the bulls

and ya, not like anyone will ever wear it...certainly there is a question about his brevity...but i think his overall impact could surely warrant a jersey retirement

i mean jordan's jersey is retired by miami, for christ's sake...

 

[Lex L.]

Way to blatantly disrespect Gilmore, Grant, and Van Lier. Rodman was a level above none of them while he was with the Bulls. And Grant was an intregal part of three championships, too. So were Paxson and Kukoc and Harper. That is inconsistent reasoning to retire #91 and not #5, #7, #9, and #54.

The reasons you gave to have Rodman's number retired was because of his influence in pop culture? That should have ZERO-all to do with why the Bulls would retire #91. How about base it on what he personally did on the basketball court?

"Media pressure" off of Jordan? As if Jordan wasn't the darling boy of the media long before Rodman ever got to Chicago. That is another bad reason...

He's right on most of the stuff you're sniffling over. Rodman was a better version of Horace Grant for that time. Lets face it, the only reason working against Rodman is that he was only in Chicago 3 years. Beyond that, there are no valid reasons for him to not be properly acknowledged as one of the greatest Chicago Bulls.

Ill add one thing that 97 didnt mention. Rodman was in his own category as a player. He was the forerunner and, to this day, defines what it means to be an "energy guy" or one who "does all the dirty work".

Rodman taught people that there was enormous value in basketball players beyond scoring. This was never more drastically exemplified in seeing how he fit into the second 3 peat Bulls teams. Those Bulls teams didn't need him to score. If he would have been a 20/10 guy, it could have actually made those teams less than what they were.

Those Bulls teams were a unique mix of complimentary skills, and Rodman was a big part of why it worked. And the second 3 peat Bulls werent as great as they were because there was a vast drop off between Pippen and Rodman, between which you could situate Van Lier and those other guys. Sorry, but Rodman deserves his proper acknowledgment.

 

[houheffna]

Jordan disagreed pretty much with Miami retiring his jersey...as he openly dismissed having the league retire his jersey. It remains one of the most baffling things I have seen in NBA sports...

LOL at retiring Rodman's number because he was a media distraction from Jordan...hilarious. Using pop culture (colored hair, tatoos and dresses) and being a rodeo clown to the media for Jordan as reasons is an indictment of his career as a Bull. That would be no different from someone saying Rodman shouldn't have his number retired because Jordan never held a reasonable conversation with the guy...nor did he want to. That doesn't matter if Rodman's play warrants his number being retired. I don't think it does...

I am glad Reinsdorf and the Bulls organization handles these things the way they do. If they retire his number...fine. But it wasn't Gilmore's fault his teams sucked...it wasn't his fault those teams failed. You need other great players to be successful...again, Gilmore proved his greatness on the floor.

 

[BNB]

Jordan disagreed pretty much with Miami retiring his jersey...as he openly dismissed having the league retire his jersey. It remains one of the most baffling things I have seen in NBA sports...

which part? Miami retiring his jersey or MJ saying he doesn't want the league to retire his jersey?