Sources: Cubs pursuing Pujols, Fielder

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I have head that good reason to go after Pujols. about 99% chance Fielder dont go to MIL so then if Cubs got Fielder, 2 NLC teams get worse while Cubs get better

Thats a good point but if you're going to spend that kind of money, that alone isn't enough.

I think Pujols is the safer money even with the age difference.
 

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I just don't see how Ricketts has the money for such large contracts given the financial issues that were brought up last season.
 

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I just don't see how Ricketts has the money for such large contracts given the financial issues that were brought up last season.

he has no issues..it was just cause he bought the team. SO the ratios were off. Even Selig said that
 

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I just don't see how Ricketts has the money for such large contracts given the financial issues that were brought up last season.

Aren't we losing at least 20 million in salary by not re-signing Ramirez and Pena?
 

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Aren't we losing at least 20 million in salary by not re-signing Ramirez and Pena?

Cubs have like 50 mil coming off the books PLUS another 32 mil coming off next year from Demp and Z. People complain about how cubs have to many bad contracts..really they have only 1 left in Sori
 

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Don't have to pay guys like Silva, Fukudome, Ramirez, Pena (if he declines arb) and also Grabow. So there's quite a bit of money off the books.
 

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Might have to allocate some of that to arbitration raises and to the 40-man roster guys, but the $50MM freed up sounds about right.
 

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I dunno. Especially adding another $200-300 million for just one player.

The thing about spending 30 million per year on Pujols is that he also gives you roster flexibility in that you don't have to overpay next tier players hoping they have good years. Pujols really doesn't have any off years historically. I'd rather pay one guy 30 million knowing you can expect excellence every years over paying guys like Derek Lee and Ramirez roughly the same amount of money HOPING they have a decent year at the same time.

And the good thing about Pujols is that, again, you can also build your team in a variety of ways. You can have a team built on speed with him as your tower of power in the middle of the lineup (but also maybe with someone that has pop behind him).
 

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Exactly.

Some people don't know basic math.

Whoa, remember you have to replace folks too. And Albert Fielder (Yes, did that on purpose) really ain't worth $15 million a year without protection and that is more than just one big time bat to protect.
 

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The thing about spending 30 million per year on Pujols is that he also gives you roster flexibility in that you don't have to overpay next tier players hoping they have good years. Pujols really doesn't have any off years historically. I'd rather pay one guy 30 million knowing you can expect excellence every years over paying guys like Derek Lee and Ramirez roughly the same amount of money HOPING they have a decent year at the same time.

And the good thing about Pujols is that, again, you can also build your team in a variety of ways. You can have a team built on speed with him as your tower of power in the middle of the lineup (but also maybe with someone that has pop behind him).

Oh, no debate from Me that Albert is WAY better an option for everyone, Cubs included than Prince.
 

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Whoa, remember you have to replace folks too. And Albert Fielder (Yes, did that on purpose) really ain't worth $15 million a year without protection and that is more than just one big time bat to protect.

Yeah.. If you're taking approx 45-50 off the books.

Plus they can go higher than that too.
 

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Cubs have like 50 mil coming off the books PLUS another 32 mil coming off next year from Demp and Z. People complain about how cubs have to many bad contracts..really they have only 1 left in Sori

The sad thing is, Pujols has been a metronome of excellence. If anything, our recent years of overpaying next-tier players hoping they have good seasons should make people appreciate paying for a known commodity.

One of the glaring problems the Cubs have had is that they've overpaid for next tier players because they haven't had the top shelf players. Overpaying for next tier players while avoiding elite players is where you get bad contracts. The elite players are elite for a reason and the main reason is that you can expect excellence from them most of the time. Thats what makes them worth the money. With guys like Derek Lee, you end up saying things like, "remember 2004?".
 

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I just think the agents for Albert Fielder are using the Cubs to drum up the offers from teams like the Angels, Cardinals, Marlins, Nationals, and Indians (My sleeper team to nab one)
 

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Whoa, remember you have to replace folks too. And Albert Fielder (Yes, did that on purpose) really ain't worth $15 million a year without protection and that is more than just one big time bat to protect.

Well, you also have to remember that the guy hitting behind Pujols also gets more pitches to hit they've avoided Albert and he ended up at 1st or because Albert hit his way on base. Once you pitch around a guy, pitchers become sensitive about putting more guys on base after that.

I think the best candidate to hit behind Albert would be either Colvin (assuming it's the good version) or Byrd. I just dont see Soriano being the guy to hit behind Albert because, even though he would get more pitches to hit, you also have still be smart about what you swing at.
 

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Well, you also have to remember that the guy hitting behind Pujols also gets more pitches to hit they've avoided Albert and he ended up at 1st or because Albert hit his way on base. Once you pitch around a guy, pitchers become sensitive about putting more guys on base after that.

I think the best candidate to hit behind Albert would be either Colvin (assuming it's the good version) or Byrd. I just dont see Soriano being the guy to hit behind Albert because, even though he would get more pitches to hit, you also have still be smart about what you swing at.

If those are your options you have wasted money on Albert Fielder
 

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If those are your options you have wasted money on Albert Fielder

Thats not true. If the 4 hitter sees good pitches, he has a good chance of putting up numbers. Byrd is a quality hitter. The 4 hitter doesnt have to be elite, though he might look elite once he starts getting a lot of pitches to hit.

One of the Cubs biggest problems is that theyve had too many free swingers. For this reason, opposing pitchers have had an easier time getting through jams. An added layer to this is (that Theo brings in theory) is improvement at plate discipline. I think improvement in this area both gives Pujols more pitches to hit (with the idea that the guys in front of him will be judicious at the plate).

BTW, what do you think the Cubs should do about who hits behind Pujols?
 

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I don't think Byrd should hit behind Pujols. Very impatient and mostly ground ball hitter. Would be bad. I think Byrd should hit in front of Pujols instead. I'd go so far as to have Castro lead off, Byrd/DeJesus in the #2 spot depending on who's starting that day, then Pujols at the top of the order. At least Castro can beat out GIDPs.

Assuming, of course, Pujols becomes a Cub :lol:
 

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Thats not true. If the 4 hitter sees good pitches, he has a good chance of putting up numbers. Byrd is a quality hitter. The 4 hitter doesnt have to be elite, though he might look elite once he starts getting a lot of pitches to hit.

One of the Cubs biggest problems is that theyve had too many free swingers. For this reason, opposing pitchers have had an easier time getting through jams. An added layer to this is (that Theo brings in theory) is improvement at plate discipline. I think improvement in this area both gives Pujols more pitches to hit (with the idea that the guys in front of him will be judicious at the plate).

BTW, what do you think the Cubs should do about who hits behind Pujols?

A-ram :flipa:
 
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