Sources: Cubs pursuing Pujols, Fielder

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I think this is a sensible way to go. The other option would have been frontloading the contract.

I don't think they should frontload, nor would they be inclined to, because present money is worth more than future money due to inflation.

They might put in vesting options to give Pujols more potential money but without the flat-out guarantee.
 

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I don't think they should frontload, nor would they be inclined to, because present money is worth more than future money due to inflation.

They might put in vesting options to give Pujols more potential money but without the flat-out guarantee.

Not that this invalidates your point but it has more to do with there being an interest element.

But that aside, either you're concerned about not getting stuck paying someone a lot of money at the end of a contract or you're not. If you're concerned with this, your choices are to frontload or condense the contract but offer more per year.

And the issue with getting cute with vesting options is that, either you're serious about signing Pujols or you're not. There are plenty of teams that want him and his agent is well aware of the time-value-money concept.
 

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Not that this invalidates your point but it has more to do with there being an interest element.

But that aside, either you're concerned about not getting stuck paying someone a lot of money at the end of a contract or you're not. If you're concerned with this, your choices are to frontload or condense the contract but offer more per year.

And the issue with getting cute with vesting options is that, either you're serious about signing Pujols or you're not. There are plenty of teams that want him and his agent is well aware of the time-value-money concept.

The length and total guaranteed value of the contract tells you how much the Cubs think Pujols can produce during his tenure. How they pay it out over the years doesn't matter. For example, if Pujols' production makes up for his entire contract in the first year, but by the end of the contract he's pure crap, he'll still have outperformed the contract even though he's making $25MM or whatever that last year. The team will be okay with that because they projected Pujols' value even if the fans hate his guts.
 

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I think what might end up working, and this has been discussed elsewhere, is that the Cubs know they can spend more money than the Cardinals. They can guarantee Pujols more overall money even if they keep the number of years lower. Let's say the Cards offer their 9 years/$200MM contract. The Cubs counter with 7 years at $210MM total, and explain to Pujols how players age and why he won't get the full guarantee, but if he continues to be badass, there's another $30MM or $60MM waiting for him at the end of that contract. Getting $210MM in two less years than the Cards can afford or are willing to give is huge. Theo and Jed have to be planning something like this.
 

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PR move to show effort to the fans

a way to drive the price up so that the cardinals and brewers have zero chance to sign either of them

the whole idea is rebuilding, they wouldnt let aram go, trade one if not 2 sp's ( garza and or z ) possibly take on sorianos money and move him........and than sign one of those 2. wont happen.
 

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PR move to show effort to the fans

a way to drive the price up so that the cardinals and brewers have zero chance to sign either of them

the whole idea is rebuilding, they wouldnt let aram go, trade one if not 2 sp's ( garza and or z ) possibly take on sorianos money and move him........and than sign one of those 2. wont happen.

Wouldn't say that until at least after the Winter Meetings :lol:

This front office seems to have a knack for being unpredictable.
 

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I think what might end up working, and this has been discussed elsewhere, is that the Cubs know they can spend more money than the Cardinals. They can guarantee Pujols more overall money even if they keep the number of years lower. Let's say the Cards offer their 9 years/$200MM contract. The Cubs counter with 7 years at $210MM total, and explain to Pujols how players age and why he won't get the full guarantee, but if he continues to be badass, there's another $30MM or $60MM waiting for him at the end of that contract. Getting $210MM in two less years than the Cards can afford or are willing to give is huge. Theo and Jed have to be planning something like this.

I agree with this.
 

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PR move to show effort to the fans
Theres a history that supports this and I've addressed it previously.

a way to drive the price up so that the cardinals and brewers have zero chance to sign either of them

This is sketchy. It's possible that this is correct but the Cubs biggest problem is the Cubs and not the Brewers or Cardinals. The Cubs need to be more focused on improving themselves before they're focused on undermining the Cards and Brewers. The time and energy that's involved with doing this would take away from improving the Cubs (as opposed to undermining the Cards and Brewers).

the whole idea is rebuilding, they wouldnt let aram go, trade one if not 2 sp's ( garza and or z ) possibly take on sorianos money and move him........and than sign one of those 2. wont happen.

The whole idea is to improve the franchise overall. It's not purely about getting talent in the minor leagues. Theo has spoken of parallel objectives. If the Cubs don't do something there will continue to be empty seats at Wrigley. In this economy, it has started to become easy for people to say "no thanks" to the Cubs. Quite simply, the value hasn't been there. Ricketts hasn't put enough into the team on the field and, in doing so, has dared the fans to not show up. The fans have taken him up on that dare.
 

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Wouldn't say that until at least after the Winter Meetings :lol:

This front office seems to have a knack for being unpredictable.

You're forgetting that Dewey knows Tom Ricketts' finances better than Tom does.
 

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It is possible to throw a truckload of money at Pujols, improve somewhat in 2012, and when other contracts come off the books, make another free agent push to contend in 2013 even if they don't make the playoffs in 2012. In the meantime they can continue to invest in the draft, scouting and player development.
 

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You're forgetting that Dewey knows Tom Ricketts' finances better than Tom does.

A link to the Ricketts' checkbook would be nice. They have to have ledgers and balance sheets right?
 

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It is possible to throw a truckload of money at Pujols, improve somewhat in 2012, and when other contracts come off the books, make another free agent push to contend in 2013 even if they don't make the playoffs in 2012. In the meantime they can continue to invest in the draft, scouting and player development.

If they could move Sorianos contract sooner than later, this could also free up some money this year...even if they have to eat some of it.
 

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And your love affair with Chase fucking Headley is pretty mind boggling.

He's cheap. He's under 30. He's good. He's been playing in a pitcher's park. What's not to like? Oh yeah, you don't have any sense of reason. Nevermind.
 

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You're forgetting that Dewey knows Tom Ricketts' finances better than Tom does.

:rolleyes: good one. have your boner this offseason with rumors of guys you are getting, and than when the offseason is over we can talk about the real players on the cubs roster playing 1b.
 

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:rolleyes: good one. have your boner this offseason with rumors of guys you are getting, and than when the offseason is over we can talk about the real players on the cubs roster playing 1b.

Maybe if we're lucky we can get Adam Dunn :rolleyes:
 

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Maybe if we're lucky we can get Adam Dunn :rolleyes:

wasnt that the guy you said you were getting all offseason last year? i mean adam dunn fell apart on the sox, just bad....is that supposed to be a shot? just asking because i didnt really feel anything.
 

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For what it's worth I'm thinking that Adam Dunn probably has a bounceback year. Unless he really did fall off a cliff, but considering his past production and his age that doesn't seem too likely. Probably just needs a hug.
 

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For what it's worth I'm thinking that Adam Dunn probably has a bounceback year. Unless he really did fall off a cliff, but considering his past production and his age that doesn't seem too likely. Probably just needs a hug.

I kind of think he will have a decent year also.
 
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