(SPOILERS) Star Wars The Force Awakens Discussion Thread

[Shantz My Pants]

Betting dollars to donuts Rey was a survivor of the Skywalker academy massacre. Explains the fast-track force learning and the sabre flashbacks. Cue the MIB neuralizer and zap.

Book it.

I'm still going with Skywalker lineage of some sort (whether Luke or Leia); the entire franchise is built around the fate and importance of this family, so I really don't see them suddenly downplaying their role.

My theory basically takes the two of these and puts them together.

She's Luke's daughter, hence why Leia had that odd interaction with someone we presume she supposedly "doesn't know" when Rey walked off the ship after Solo died and her fight with Ren (Leia just walks up, says nothing, and hugs her. You'd think if she didn't know who she was she'd introduce her and yada yada yada). But if she was training at the academy or was related to Luke (remember she looks very young when her "parents" leave her on Jakkuu) Rey might not remember, but Leia would remember her niece and would know she was in hiding (or thought she was killed).

Then there is the relationship with Han on the falcon who basically begs her to take a job, and when Han is talking to Mons (?) she asks "who's the girl" and they cut away to Rey finding the light saber completely ignoring what Han is about to tell her. It didn't seem like Han even recognized her as his daughter when they found her.

Her relationship with Renn is odd as he reveals his face to her, he seems very intrigued when he was told the BB-8 droid was with "What girl"? So it seems like he knows her in some capacity.

Plus, that old dude on Jakkuu who had the missing piece of the map was very "Kenobi" like. If Luke trusted him with his location, who's to say he didn't trust him to watch over Rey and give her that piece of the map when the time was right.

Then again, the assumption that she's Luke's daughter or a skywalker is so heavily played that JJ could pull a 180 and write her character off as literally a nobody who came from know where but the "Force awakened" inside her.

Some of the fan theories though going around are interesting, dumb, and sad.


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[AussieBear]

I think the bigger problem is they never explained in the slightest Rey's Force prowess whatsoever, and for someone to do what Rey was doing up until this point in the SW universe, it took a good amount of training. They basically used lazy writing of, "let's go finish his training" afterward, and they're probably going to use lazy writing again in regards to Rey to explain away that inconsistency of her defeating him, quite frankly, fairly easily. I mean, I know he was hurt, but he had no problem flinging her into a tree prior, and used no force push in the fight. They honestly should've had her being defeated and the splitting planet saving her, not him.

agreed.. sucks theyll leave it for the next movie years later to possibly explain... just in the moment it made no sense and rubbed some peeps wrong

 

[AussieBear]

Betting dollars to donuts Rey was a survivor of the Skywalker academy massacre. Explains the fast-track force learning and the sabre flashbacks. Cue the MIB neuralizer and zap.

Book it.

or luke was talking to her.. they just didnt let us hear it..

 

[ijustposthere]

Like I said, they're going to use lazy writing to explain it all away. She had training but it was wiped and Ren's probe unlocked it. They made her too flawless, and for some reason, they didn't want her to fail in the slightest. Only minor hiccup she had was Ren force holding her the first moment they met.

 

[FireFox]

My thoughts on the movie:

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. It was literally a carbon copy of Episode IV. What bothered me is how Kylo was just another angsty teen with daddy/inferiority issues. I just didn't care for how his character has been developed so far. I didn't like that Rey was able to use the force from the moment of figuring out she had the force. It took Luke and Anakin years before they could use their powers the way she was using them. The only way I am rationalizing this is that Rey is potentially stronger with the force, but the idea she is that she was able to pull off Jedi mind tricks already really bugged me. I know Kylo has had little training this far, but the fact that he was able to hold a laser blaster shot in place for minutes, but couldn't retrieve his lightsaber also bugged me. Then Death Star 3.0...come on. The movie was very predictable and underwhelming. We have seen this all before.

A couple of other things before I forget:

How was one stormtrooper able to have so much personality? Not only that how was it that he was able to overcome all of his stormtrooper training? Why didn't kylo do something about it on Jakku when he sensed something was up? I am just having a hard time believeing that one stormtrooper just woke up and thought... Hey, everything we are doing is wrong. I don't want to be apart of this. It just doesn't make sense.

What did the First Order rise out of? How did the "new republic" not just kill them off? Why let them become so powerful?

The republic meant literally nothing and the scene of them getting destroyed was really stupid. For the average viewer, why should they care? Why aren't they actively fighting the First Order? How did they let starkiller base get made!? Why is a ramshackle rebellion with a tiny fleet of xwings taking on this massive empire? This was hardly explained.

Why did they need Finn to destroy the base? They had the plans, they knew how to get behind the shields. All finn said was "I know how" and that was that.
Why didn't the xwings get intercepted before they even got close to the base? Radar should of picked these guys up or something.

Also, why did Phasma lower the shields? She is a stormtrooper.. it should have been in her training to just die rather than be forced at gunpoint to do what the enemy says. It was silly. Stormtroopers are replaceable. She is replaceable. But instead she gave the enemy what they wanted and died anyway.

 

[ijustposthere]

They set out to make Kylo this bad ass and knocked him down immediately. I mean, he defied Luke, sent him into exile (essentially) by betraying him and killing Jedi. But he can't handle Rey because she closed her eyes that one time.

:gtfo:

In a new video, Lucas starts off quite jocular about the film, with tips such as "there's more to it than just spaceships" and "I'm curious that the Force doesn't get muddled into a bunch of gobbledygook."

Yup, that happened.

 

[FireFox]

They set out to make Kylo this bad ass and knocked him down immediately. I mean, he defied Luke, sent him into exile (essentially) by betraying him and killing Jedi. But he can't handle Rey because she closed her eyes that one time.

:gtfo:



Yup, that happened.

That is a good point.

Honestly, this movie really just pissed me off more than anything. I think I am being harsh, but a lot of it just does not make any sense when compared to the events of the previous movies.

 

[ijustposthere]

That is a good point.

Honestly, this movie really just pissed me off more than anything. I think I am being harsh, but a lot of it just does not make any sense when compared to the events of the previous movies.

I thought they had a solid movie going, until that ending.

 

[FireFox]

I thought they had a solid movie going, until that ending.

Yeah, the ending killed it. I was already pessimistic as you can see from my rant above, but the ending was a bit rushed in terms of planning and actually making sense.

 

[remydat]

I am assuming that Finn will be revealed as force sensitive or special in some way which is how he was able to resist being just another brainwashed ******.

 

[ijustposthere]

I am assuming that Finn will be revealed as force sensitive or special in some way which is how he was able to resist being just another brainwashed ******.

I think so too. I've seen people bitching about the Finn character. I liked him. Best new character IMO.

 

[remydat]

Yeah he was my favorite as well because dude wasn't trying to be a hero. He was just like let's get the **** outta here but then succumbed to what leads most men to their deaths eventually ie the desire to win/save the girl.

 

[DrGonzo]

I liked it, although after the last three my expectations were a lot lower. Damn, Carrie Fisher does not look well though.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Found this article and thought some of you would find it interesting

http://mashable.com/2015/12/29/force-awakens-novel/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#Q6ZpKsZj6Pqf

 

[FireFox]

I think so too. I've seen people bitching about the Finn character. I liked him. Best new character IMO.

His autonomous behavior just does not make any sense though.

 

[FireFox]

Found this article and thought some of you would find it interesting

http://mashable.com/2015/12/29/force-awakens-novel/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#Q6ZpKsZj6Pqf

Thanks, I didn't know there was a book.

 

[brett05]

His autonomous behavior just does not make any sense though.

Given that he was a kidnapped slave instead of a clone, I can see it. I believe Finn also shares this was his first "action" and he passed on it.

 

[Novak]

Just saw the movie yesterday, was not impressed...