Starlin Castro All-Star?

[cubsneedmiracle]

Castro will represent the Cubs.. end of story

 

[Jntg4]

I hope they pick Barney so CO can rant about it.

But ya, I think it is Castro... for the next 20 years.

 

[Rice Cube]

Starlin Castro makes sense to me. I almost hope they pick Zambrano though just to piss the Chicago media off

 

[derosabomb]

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[X]

With no shut-down closers in the NL, I wouldn't be surprised if they took Marmol. But offensively (the side of the ball that really matters in an all-star game) Castro is the 2nd best SS in the NL behind Reyes. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both got in...but since we're in 5th in a meh division...it'll probably just be Marmol.

 

[Jntg4]

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uke:

 

[Captain Obvious]

I'll ask again... Why shouldn't Garza be an all-star?

 

[Rice Cube]

I'll ask again... Why shouldn't Garza be an all-star?

The short answer is that while he has a ridiculous FIP, the balls that he allows in play are finding their way into hits at a high clip that might be unsustainable at that rate, but the fact that he's giving up lots of hard-hit line drives may be contributing to the high BABIP. He's had pretty good luck on fly balls staying in the park so far as well, and he seems to have changed his approach to induce more grounders, which tend not to go for home runs.

Despite his high FIP and fWAR, the fact that he is getting hit hard means that he's not as good as the numbers say he is. The ERA is also a function of his leaky infield and bad defense by the Cubs letting balls drop for hits. He's not as bad as his ERA says he is, but he's also not as good as his FIP suggests. And that's why he won't be considered an All-Star even if the dinosaurs who look at ERA and W/L record weren't in control of selecting pitchers.

 

[DewsSox79]

The short answer is that while he has a ridiculous FIP, the balls that he allows in play are finding their way into hits at a high clip that might be unsustainable at that rate, but the fact that he's giving up lots of hard-hit line drives may be contributing to the high BABIP. He's had pretty good luck on fly balls staying in the park so far as well, and he seems to have changed his approach to induce more grounders, which tend not to go for home runs.

Despite his high FIP and fWAR, the fact that he is getting hit hard means that he's not as good as the numbers say he is. The ERA is also a function of his leaky infield and bad defense by the Cubs letting balls drop for hits. He's not as bad as his ERA says he is, but he's also not as good as his FIP suggests. And that's why he won't be considered an All-Star even if the dinosaurs who look at ERA and W/L record weren't in control of selecting pitchers.

:clap::clap:

 

[X]

I don't think Garza's been bad...but I don't believe he's been top-5 in the league, either...he doesn't deserve to go.

 

[Rice Cube]

As a comparison, here is a list of the top pitchers sorted by WAR in the NL so far:

National League Leaderboards

You can make a much more compelling case for all of the ones above Garza than you could for Garza himself. Even Tim Lincecum. You're going to have to stretch quite a bit to argue Garza onto the team.

My guess is that the Cubs rep is going to be either Castro or Marmol. But again, I think it'd be badass if Zambrano got in, although his case is probably just as hard to justify as Garza's would be.

 

[DewsSox79]

As a comparison, here is a list of the top pitchers sorted by WAR in the NL so far:

National League Leaderboards

You can make a much more compelling case for all of the ones above Garza than you could for Garza himself. Even Tim Lincecum. You're going to have to stretch quite a bit to argue Garza onto the team.

My guess is that the Cubs rep is going to be either Castro or Marmol. But again, I think it'd be badass if Zambrano got in, although his case is probably just as hard to justify as Garza's would be.

One should never use WAR as a basis for a debate on whether or not a player should or should not be in an all star game. WAR is not a stat for one, and is also way too subjective. Allthough Saber heads and wanna be saber heads live by WAR, most of them dont even understand the specifics behind this hole filled metric.

 

[Rice Cube]

One should never use WAR as a basis for a debate on whether or not a player should or should not be in an all star game. WAR is not a stat for one, and is also way too subjective. Allthough Saber heads and wanna be saber heads live by WAR, most of them dont even understand the specifics behind this hole filled metric.

The way it's set up is standardized though. I agree with you that WAR is not the end-all, and it has its flaws (there's a huge discrepancy sometimes between fWAR and rWAR) but for quickie comparisons, I'm okay with using it. But I see your point.

 

[DewsSox79]

The way it's set up is standardized though. I agree with you that WAR is not the end-all, and it has its flaws (there's a huge discrepancy sometimes between fWAR and rWAR) but for quickie comparisons, I'm okay with using it. But I see your point.

exactly right! well said.

 

[Rick]

I think Castro has a real good shot, I'm rooting for him. I hope he continues to have a nice career with the Cubs.

 

[Rice Cube]

I think Castro has a real good shot, I'm rooting for him. I hope he continues to have a nice career with the Cubs.

As long as they don't give him too much crap for his rookie mistakes and allow him to eat dinner, I'm sure he'll be okay.

 

[Rick]

As long as they don't give him too much crap for his rookie mistakes and allow him to eat dinner, I'm sure he'll be okay.

I'm just staying cautiously optimistic with Castro. Corey Patterson had a nice season in 2003 before getting hurt and the bottom completely fell out when he came back in 2004 so bad things do happen. Then there was Felix Pie

 

[poodski]

With no shut-down closers in the NL,

Joel Hanrahan would like to say whats up?

"What's up X?" - Joel Hanrahan

 

[poodski]

The short answer is that while he has a ridiculous FIP, the balls that he allows in play are finding their way into hits at a high clip that might be unsustainable at that rate, but the fact that he's giving up lots of hard-hit line drives may be contributing to the high BABIP. He's had pretty good luck on fly balls staying in the park so far as well, and he seems to have changed his approach to induce more grounders, which tend not to go for home runs.

Despite his high FIP and fWAR, the fact that he is getting hit hard means that he's not as good as the numbers say he is. The ERA is also a function of his leaky infield and bad defense by the Cubs letting balls drop for hits. He's not as bad as his ERA says he is, but he's also not as good as his FIP suggests. And that's why he won't be considered an All-Star even if the dinosaurs who look at ERA and W/L record weren't in control of selecting pitchers.

I also think a reason his FIP is so artificially low is because of his crazy high BABIP and the fact that FIP is based on innings rather than batters faced. Especially with how high his K/9 is due to the fact he is facing more hitters per inning.

His tRA is still a very nice 3.30 which ranks him 26th in the majors which is still very good, but yeah probably not good enough to warrant an all-star appearance though.

Still he has definitely been our best pitcher on the season, and arguably our best overall player, but that doesn't mean he should make the all star team.

 

[poodski]

Also I am going to go out on a limb and say the Cubs deserve two All-Star's. I know I will be called a homer but....

Obviously Castro deserves it like everyone has said.

Also I think Sean Marshall deserves it. He won't get it, but he has been an absolute stud for a few years and IMO warrants a spot on the All-Star team. I know he won't get it, but I think he does deserve one.