Starlin Castro All-Star?

[DewsSox79]

Also, Dewy, I don't know where your post is but Castro has been better as of late, not worse.

huh? i said marshall.

 

[waldo7239117]

left handed relievers get in here and there hence thornton. marshall...ehh. I guess if castro wasnt on this team and they needed a rep it would be him. he hasnt been great recently but over all i think he does a good job for the cubs.

Ohhh I see now... You started with Marshall, then went to Castro so I thought you were continuing on Castro. But I see what you did not.

My bad.

 

[daddies3angels]

Castro will be future All Star but i dont see him making it this year

 

[Captain Obvious]

Wow! By what measure is he the Cubs best pitcher, not mention W/L and ERA, he was on the DL for 3 weeks, and missed time. Wood Marshall Marmol and Zambrano have been better than Garza, by a mile. Samardzija deserves the hypothetical nod over Garza.

Castro should get on by his own merit, but he'll be the required team representative.

He has the highest K/9 of any starter in the majors with at least 10 starts. Grienke is the only guy higher and he has 9 starts.

He has a very good 1.78 GB/FB rate and considering he is a FB pitcher, that's even better.

Garza has been our best pitcher, even with his .340 BABIP, which only Grienke has a higher one, .360.

As a comparison, here is a list of the top pitchers sorted by WAR in the NL so far:

National League Leaderboards

You can make a much more compelling case for all of the ones above Garza than you could for Garza himself. Even Tim Lincecum. You're going to have to stretch quite a bit to argue Garza onto the team.

My guess is that the Cubs rep is going to be either Castro or Marmol. But again, I think it'd be badass if Zambrano got in, although his case is probably just as hard to justify as Garza's would be.

I'm not saying Garza will get on the team. I'm just saying that I think he should, because he has been our best player.

I also think a reason his FIP is so artificially low is because of his crazy high BABIP and the fact that FIP is based on innings rather than batters faced. Especially with how high his K/9 is due to the fact he is facing more hitters per inning.

His tRA is still a very nice 3.30 which ranks him 26th in the majors which is still very good, but yeah probably not good enough to warrant an all-star appearance though.

Still he has definitely been our best pitcher on the season, and arguably our best overall player, but that doesn't mean he should make the all star team.

I'm curious as to why you say that doesn't mean he should make the all star team. The way that I see it, the best player should make it(although, I think that Castro has a better shot, because of position)




Dewey, you're right WAR isn't the end all stat. But when you say not to use WAR and don't use anything else, it makes you look stupid.

 

[waldo7239117]

Castro will be future All Star but i dont see him making it this year

There's no one else.

 

[poodski]

I'm curious as to why you say that doesn't mean he should make the all star team. The way that I see it, the best player should make it(although, I think that Castro has a better shot, because of position)

I think you hit it on the head with your statement in parenthesis. You won't get an argument, from me, that he has been our best player so far on the year, but that doesn't mean he should be the all star.

Castro though has been the second best offensive SS in the NL, and that's why I think he gets in. (though if you include defense he is probably way down on the list of best SS's).

Hell you know we might as well just send fucking Reed Johnson. He leads the team in WPA.

In reality none of our players REALLY deserve a nod, except I stand by that Marshall does.

 

[nwfisch]

Does WPA=Heart? If so Johnson should just get on for heart.

 

[poodski]

Does WPA=Heart? If so Johnson should just get on for heart.

WPA is Win Probability Added.

 

[DewsSox79]

He has the highest K/9 of any starter in the majors with at least 10 starts. Grienke is the only guy higher and he has 9 starts.

He has a very good 1.78 GB/FB rate and considering he is a FB pitcher, that's even better.

Garza has been our best pitcher, even with his .340 BABIP, which only Grienke has a higher one, .360.



I'm not saying Garza will get on the team. I'm just saying that I think he should, because he has been our best player.




I'm curious as to why you say that doesn't mean he should make the all star team. The way that I see it, the best player should make it(although, I think that Castro has a better shot, because of position)




Dewey, you're right WAR isn't the end all stat. But when you say not to use WAR and don't use anything else, it makes you look stupid.

coming from someone stating garza deserves the all star nod over castro. try again. idiot.

 

[Captain Obvious]

coming from someone stating garza deserves the all star nod over castro. try again. idiot.

And why doesn't Garza deserve it?

 

[waldo7239117]

And why doesn't Garza deserve it?

Because he doesn't...that's all that matters. Fine let's have a thread..."is Garza an all-star?' I bet majorty will say no.

 

[DewsSox79]

And why doesn't Garza deserve it?

no...you make your case on him being an all star. you are the one who made the stupid fucking comment. CASTRO>>>>>>>Garza all day long.

 

[Jntg4]

no...you make your case on him being an all star. you are the one who made the stupid fucking comment. CASTRO>>>>>>>Garza all day long.

Castro > All

Votto who?

 

[nwfisch]

And why doesn't Garza deserve it?

Because he's not even the 5th best pitcher on this team. Shark Marmol Marshall Wood Z and fringe Dempster are better than Garza.

 

[Jntg4]

Because he's not even the 5th best pitcher on this team. Shark Marmol Marshall Wood Z and fringe Dempster are better than Garza.

But I thought Wells was Cy Young quality, how could he not make that list? :shrug:
Unless all those pitchers are Cy Youngers.

 

[waldo7239117]

Wells is the Cubs ace, no doubt. C'mon.

 

[waldo7239117]

Castro > All

Votto who?

What?

 

[Jntg4]

What?

I was saying that Castro was greater than all, so now everybody forgot about everybody else, like MVP Joey Votto. Was JK.

 

[waldo7239117]

I was saying that Castro was greater than all, so now everybody forgot about everybody else, like MVP Joey Votto. Was JK.

Ohh I see what you mean now.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Because he doesn't...that's all that matters. Fine let's have a thread..."is Garza an all-star?' I bet majorty will say no.

Do you understand the term "why?" I'm looking for reasoning here.

no...you make your case on him being an all star. you are the one who made the stupid fucking comment. CASTRO>>>>>>>Garza all day long.

Okay, fair enough. He has the 2nd highest K/9 of all NL starters. His FIP and xFIP are top 10 in the league. He is allowing under 1 HR/9, which is not only the best on the team, but also tied for 12th in the NL. His FIP- and xFIP-(like OPS+, only you want a lower number, thus the -) are 73 and 78 respectively. Castro's OPS+ and wRC+ are 113 and 118 respectively. Garza is much better compared to the league than Castro. Given the positions, yeah, Castro is certainly more likely to. But to say that Garza doesn't deserve it but Castro does, is absurd.