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A post that has nothing to argue and just tells the person to go away since they have no rebuttal.... AKA The Dewey.
You still don't understand what I was trying to say with the WS which isn't surprising since you can't comprehend most of what is said.
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I think it makes sense to know what the advanced metrics are, but to also realize why they are flawed and why you can't just rely on one or two of them to make a case. You have to look at everything in context.
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you shouldnt be called an idiot for not know about saber. saber has become the "trend" for fans to feel smarter, like they know something more than other fans. Poodski and CO post a lot about saber metrics but have no fucking clue about how to use them to evaluate talent. They sit there and believe in the false numbers like they are gospel.
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no rebuttal? are you that fucking dumb? Im tired of writing over and over and over the same fucking rebuttal about this.
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I wish I could remember. I did end up googling it and there wasn't a baseball reference page for it. It seemed like a shady stat.
I just want the stat explained when I ask, or a link to an explanation. I don't want the BS on why it supports your case, I can figure that out.
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When i saw that Soriano was considered 2 best LF in UZR rating last year that made me laugh at all sabermetric stats. Anyone in baseball can tell you Soriano is not a good OF
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Which ones don't you understand? Wasn't is sOPS+ you asked and CO told you to google it?
sOPS+ is basically how a player is performing compared vs other players in that specific split, park adjusted.
So basically if you want to see how well Darwin Barney is doing in comparison to other 2B you would look up his stats on BR, and look up splits and at the end of the stat line it will say sOPS+ and a number. 100 is average above is above and below is below (each point being a percentage) so if his sOPS+ is 113 he is hitting 13% than the average 2B.
If you look up his line with RISP you can also see his sOPS+. You can pretty much see it for every split in the book. Same for the Cubs.
Remember no stat is worth anything on its own you have to compare with others in order for it to mean anything. So a player with a 1400 OPS on LD's may sound good, but in reality its probably not.
Hope that makes sense.
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:lol: but you write nothing....
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Pure comedic gold right there. Coming from you it's not a surprise, but it's still a good laugh.
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go back and read through the archives. It is well documented.
Learn saber before you preach saber, got it? good.
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It wasn't that one. Thank you for the explanation w/o the name calling.
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Like Rice mentions consistently, people can use these stats, but they just use one as the end all and treat it like the gospel.
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anytime you need saber shit, just ask poods to do it, he will gladly copy and paste numbers from fangraphs for ya.
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Well, it's not really like that. The advanced metrics try to dissect every nuance of a play and tease out the principal components are that the most important factors in evaluating skill. They're not really as commonplace as results-based stats like ERA or RBI, but they do tell you what a given player is likely to be able to do going forward. ERA and RBI tell you what they've already done, which is a function of their skills as evaluated by SABR-stats. The numbers aren't "fake" because they are being calculated using real situations that have already happened. Every batted ball is given an ID, every pitch has been tracked, etc. The formulas and stuff are different, but they are all meant to ask "who is the better player" and not "who had the best results". Of course, baseball being a results-based business, you obviously want to try to get the guys who give you the best results.
There are two ways to go about that. One is the one tried by Jim Hendry, who looks at their RBIs and what not and thinks "Hmmm, this guy is probably going to do that again next year" without realizing that the guy is going to age, decline, and maybe having a fluky year.
The other is what SABR nerds in their basements do, and that is to dissect out the nuances of the player as stated above and see what they can do as an individual, outside the context of the team. If he has a good eye, good plate discipline, good power, he'll probably be okay no matter where you stick him in the lineup. Same thing with pitchers. So there's a place for SABR, and it's the reason why teams in the AL East are so successful.
That and the AL East has gobs of money
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Of course, Jim Hendry knows far more about baseball than I probably ever will, and I am nowhere near qualified to be a GM, but there are some things that he does (as I'm sure most GMs are like that) that make me facepalm :lol:
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This is becoming my favorite thread ever on CCS.
Anytime.
Well sure ideally you look at a multitude of stats but how many is enough? Like I pointed out to Dews I could post 14 and he would still find one he doesn't like therefore making the whole argument null and void.
Why post 14 when one will suffice?
Also as far as hitting goes I don't care what anyone will say wOBA is all you need in order to judge hitters. If you want to judge across teams and leagues wRC+ is good, but wOBA is about as perfect a stat as you can find hitting wise.
Pitching there isn't an end all be all stat but tRA (statcorner version) and SIERA seem to do the job pretty well, but those are even more "fake" than stats like FIP or QERA.
Like I said I could post a myriad of stats, but none will ever be good enough for people like Dews who do not have an open mind about anything, and would rather just be like Joe Morgan.
:ROFL: it just keeps getting better.
You do realize that sOPS+ isn't on FG right?
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Well, it's not really like that. The advanced metrics try to dissect every nuance of a play and tease out the principal components are that the most important factors in evaluating skill. They're not really as commonplace as results-based stats like ERA or RBI, but they do tell you what a given player is likely to be able to do going forward. ERA and RBI tell you what they've already done, which is a function of their skills as evaluated by SABR-stats. The numbers aren't "fake" because they are being calculated using real situations that have already happened. Every batted ball is given an ID, every pitch has been tracked, etc. The formulas and stuff are different, but they are all meant to ask "who is the better player" and not "who had the best results". Of course, baseball being a results-based business, you obviously want to try to get the guys who give you the best results.
There are two ways to go about that. One is the one tried by Jim Hendry, who looks at their RBIs and what not and thinks "Hmmm, this guy is probably going to do that again next year" without realizing that the guy is going to age, decline, and maybe having a fluky year.
The other is what SABR nerds in their basements do, and that is to dissect out the nuances of the player as stated above and see what they can do as an individual, outside the context of the team. If he has a good eye, good plate discipline, good power, he'll probably be okay no matter where you stick him in the lineup. Same thing with pitchers. So there's a place for SABR, and it's the reason why teams in the AL East are so successful.
That and the AL East has gobs of money
baseball is way passed fangraphs as far as how they evaluate.
there is not one metric that can tell me with authority what a player is going to do in the future. I read all of the write ups on adam dunn, and every single write up was wrong. Baseball is a game of chance, there is no metric that is going to predict the future season of a specific player. We all can guess on what could or should happen based on large sizes of numbers in a career with factors of age/stadium (weather conditions) division opponents etc, but no one and no metric can set a stat line out for the future, and anyone who believes in that is challenged.
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I think he is a pretty good scout of talent, but he definitely needs a numbers guy in the front office. Had Tango not gone to the Mariners he would have been an amazing staff member.
There's no way I could ever manager an entire organization, but I think we are at the point where one person never should. There needs to be checks and balances within the organization so that we aren't trading Ricky Nolasco for Juan Pierre again.
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