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If earnings aren’t priced in yet LOL if you ask me. It’s a duh with the shutdown who was affected the most. I would say the next disaster slump will depend on what the next stimulus will be. Will it be one for the economy or political games for the election season. The other thing to look for is signs of when we start to go back to “normalcy”. Socially that won’t happen for awhile. But business stand point as the virus is kept under control can we start to get parts of the economy that have been shutdown going again in May? Will science open different doors to fighting this virus? I’m fully on board with making China pay for this but markets are in bed with China so how will our retaliation when it happens affect the market? So much shit going on to factor in I’m probably missing allot more things lol

earnings can’t be priced in yet, because nobody has a clue what they will look like for the most part. Estimates have been thrown out the window.

looks like the dems just vetoed the small business stimulus that was proposed by McConnell and the republicans. So, looks like political games will rule the day per usual.

i agree that science will be the biggest game changer. That’s what will ultimately bring back normalcy...medicine/vaccine to make people feel truly safe to go back to normal again.

why do you want to make China pay for this?
 

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China isn’t our friend. They might be wall Street and politicians friends but not to we the people. But that is a diff issue. China didn’t warn the world about this virus and instead covered it up. They should pay for this. As citizens we shouldn’t worry about paying $100 more for a new iPhone especially not after this. We went from best economy ever to a recession thanks to them. We are taking on 4 trillion in debt cause of them. We should all want reparations against them
 

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China isn’t our friend. They might be wall Street and politicians friends but not to we the people. But that is a diff issue. China didn’t warn the world about this virus and instead covered it up. They should pay for this. As citizens we shouldn’t worry about paying $100 more for a new iPhone especially not after this. We went from best economy ever to a recession thanks to them. We are taking on 4 trillion in debt cause of them. We should all want reparations against them

I agree that they aren’t our friend. And I agree that China was not forthright in the information on the virus. However, I don’t agree that they should pay our bills for this(not that we could force that anyways). The virus was going to spread and take our markets down no matter what imo. not to mention our own government was slow to act, even when it became obvious what was coming.

if you’re looking for ways for the American tax payer to get paid back, I think the way to go is to make the government a stake holder in the companies that accept $ from the American taxpayer. Then when they rebound, sell out of it and make some $$ to lower our debt for a change. Basically let the government do what Buffett did with BAC years ago...


“Buffett's first investment in Bank of America came in the form of preferred stock. Still reeling from the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis and the missteps of its former management, Bank of America found itself as a defendant in a hefty $10 billion lawsuit and thus found itself in need of capital. Enter Buffett, who in 2011 offered the bank $5 billion in the form of preferred stock, a type of security that's senior to the common equity but junior to a bond or note. Buffett's preferred shares yielded 6%, but even more important, they came with warrants to purchase 700,000 shares of Bank of America stock at a fixed price of $7.14 per share at any time over the following 10 years -- i.e., by 2021.”
 
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I’m not for that at all lol

well, it’s the only realistic way that the American taxpayer won’t be the ones left holding the bag when the dust settles
 

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China has a 100 year plan to destroy America from the inside
And you should correctly point out our enemy from within is from both parties when it comes to china. It’s not the same as communist Russia trying to ruin us from within when they used the Democrat party to do it.
 

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well, it’s the only realistic way that the American taxpayer won’t be the ones left holding the bag when the dust settles
He’s a smart rich guy but sorry I would like to get a second opinion on how to go forward lol. Just saying you ever hear the saying I’m from the gov and I’m here to help? Gov intrusion isnt the way imo
 

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And you should correctly point out our enemy from within is from both parties when it comes to china. It’s not the same as communist Russia trying to ruin us from within when they used the Democrat party to do it.
Agreed, it borders on treason and both parties are guilty.
 

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He’s a smart rich guy but sorry I would like to get a second opinion on how to go forward lol. Just saying you ever hear the saying I’m from the gov and I’m here to help? Gov intrusion isnt the way imo

it’s not so much the govt helping, as much as it is letting the free market bail out the American taxpayer for a change. It’s the free market that will help, not govt.
 

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market looks ahead to the future. It’s already priced in massive unemployment and the stimulus package(s). The next thing that will bring this market back down will be earnings and guidance reports coming over the next week or two.

I've been putting some money together waiting for this point so I can make a quick move. Mostly, I'm looking for long term stocks at a discount with a couple shorter term investments. Even my short term investments are probably a couple years before I realize the gains, aside from your UCO play.
 

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it’s not so much the govt helping, as much as it is letting the free market bail out the American taxpayer for a change. It’s the free market that will help, not govt.
I will look more into it it’s not like I have much shit to do these days lol
 

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I've been putting some money together waiting for this point so I can make a quick move. Mostly, I'm looking for long term stocks at a discount with a couple shorter term investments. Even my short term investments are probably a couple years before I realize the gains, aside from your UCO play.

even then Becareful. Remember 2008 don’t ever forget the past. Gm got their bailout on our dime then reissued stock on top of that bailout so all the old shareholders lost 100% of their investment. i think people throwing money at airlines will be in this boat. Look into the various etf and mutual funds etc. Don’t throw your money at a few companies
 

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I've been putting some money together waiting for this point so I can make a quick move. Mostly, I'm looking for long term stocks at a discount with a couple shorter term investments. Even my short term investments are probably a couple years before I realize the gains, aside from your UCO play.

long term is the best way to invest IMO. Now all the pundits that were saying the lows will be re tested, are saying they now don’t think we hit that low again. I still believe we will hit back down around that level again. That said, we have bounced back a hell of a ways from those lows. It’s up over 20%, technically making this a bull market again...even though I don’t buy into that notion.

just make sure to stay diversified and not to let any singular position become too much of a % of your portfolio

even then Becareful. Remember 2008 don’t ever forget the past. Gm got their bailout on our dime then reissued stock on top of that bailout so all the old shareholders lost 100% of their investment. i think people throwing money at airlines will be in this boat. Look into the various etf and mutual funds etc. Don’t throw your money at a few companies

I actually would disagree with this. I think mutual funds and etfs are great during bull markets, but right now isn’t the time for passive investing. There will be lots of companies going to 0 due to the pandemic...why on earth would you want exposure in an etf to companies with terrible balance sheets that risk going bankrupt? Now is the time to select individual companies with solid balance sheets to anchor your portfolio. Now, of course you never want one individual company to be overweight in your portfolio, but a nice selection of individual companies to make up your portfolio is a great way to go during these times IMO
 

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Had a conversation with my money manager from Vanguarde yesterday

They think the market will roar back on news of a vaccine or even releasing some of the population being released back to work

They say there is tons of money on the sideline and with interest rates so low that there is no place for it to go except back into the market
 

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Had a conversation with my money manager from Vanguarde yesterday

They think the market will roar back on news of a vaccine or even releasing some of the population being released back to work

They say there is tons of money on the sideline and with interest rates so low that there is no place for it to go except back into the market

Stunning financial insights.
 

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I am sure this makes @truthbedamned sad as hell..... However he is locked away with his whiskey and weed and probably won't come out of the coma until they start running the cruise lines again anyway.
I am just waiting to buy some more CCL. I bought a 100 shares at 25 bucks lol so I could get a SBC for 250.00 on a cruise they cancelled. Most cruisers I know are not shying away in the least. Just waiting to get things going again. Going to rebook the exact same cruise in Oct once the price comes down.

CCL high was 60.00. It will go back up once things settle down and they have a vaccine ready.
 

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I am just waiting to buy some more CCL. I bought a 100 shares at 25 bucks lol so I could get a SBC for 250.00 on a cruise they cancelled. Most cruisers I know are not shying away in the least. Just waiting to get things going again. Going to rebook the exact same cruise in Oct once the price comes down.

CCL high was 60.00. It will go back up once things settle down and they have a vaccine ready.
I bought into CCL at 8.43. Looking good right now and I want to buy more, BUT I think when earnings are released it'll get crushed again so kinda waiting for that point before doing anything else right now.
 

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even then Becareful. Remember 2008 don’t ever forget the past. Gm got their bailout on our dime then reissued stock on top of that bailout so all the old shareholders lost 100% of their investment. i think people throwing money at airlines will be in this boat. Look into the various etf and mutual funds etc. Don’t throw your money at a few companies
The money I currently have in the market was put in at the current low. Right now, I'm putting money on the side to jump in again if it drops. Want to get more BA and Disney. Disney is going to bea long term hold anyway.
 

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